The OTHER "Star Trek VII"?

[Allyn Gibson]

I remember reading somewhere that Berman felt that they should've kept Yesterday's Enterprise's plot for the first TNG movie and I think it would've been the perfect fit for a story that combined the TNG and TOS crews without short changing either of them.

The only problem with using "Yesterday's Enterprise" in that way is that audiences would be seeing Kirk and an alternate-Picard teaming up, which isn't really what audiences would have wanted. Also, the butterfly effect of the Enterprise-A being pulled out of time by a century would have had major effects by the 2370s, so the situation aboard the alternate Enterprise-D in the extant "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have been exceedingly unlikely. I suppose some of these things could simply have been handwaved away. I suppose.

 

[Melonpool]

I kind of always liked the idea of Spock and McCoy witnessing Kirk's death on the Enterprise B... but never really accepting it. Both men are haunted by his rather ambiguous demise and end up playing a role in eventually saving him in the 24th century with Picard and the TNG crew.

I know that Nimoy has said that if he had directed Generations, he would have extensively rewritten it to make Spock more important to the story. I think Kelley had more of the same attitude that Johnny Carson had when Leno took over -- if they don't want me as a star anymore, who am I to make a cameo? Both could have been accomodated if they had wanted them bad enough and had the time in the schedule for a rewrite.

Canon-wise, both McCoy and Spock were alive and well in the 24th century (and neither one were there due to anything other than the passage of time, like say Scotty), it would be rather easy to explain to non-Trek fans through dialogue (McCOY: I didn't live to be 137 years old to see Jim die TWICE!).

I dunno... this was something that occurred to me when I saw Generations in the theater when I was 22. I saw Scotty watching Kirk die at the beginning and thought he'd have something to do with him at the end. Obviously, I was disappointed.

 

[Lonemagpie]

I know that Nimoy has said that if he had directed Generations, he would have extensively rewritten it to make Spock more important to the story.

Actor who directs in giving himself more screen time shocker?

 

[Herbert1]

Allyn, from what source are reading a synopsis of the alternate Star Trek: Generations script? Do you have a copy of Maurice Hurley's script for Star Trek: Generations?

Personally, I am pleased that Q hasn't appeared in the movies even though I love John DeLancie. Too easy to use him as a Deus Ex Machina in the plot of a film.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Allyn, from what source are reading a synopsis of the alternate Star Trek: Generations script? Do you have a copy of Maurice Hurley's script for Star Trek: Generations?

I wish!

The content of the script was documented in the Generations novelization and Cinefantastique.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I remember that Q appearing in the TNG films being a rumor for every film but especially Generations and Nemesis. The first draft of the script I remember reading about did involve the original cast and that their lines were basically eventually given to Scotty and Chekov. Spock would have been in the deflector room and McCoy being called...it'd be interesting to read the early drafts.

 

[Aike]

I am kind of certain that I´ve read somewhere that Hurley´s script included the Borg.

 

[Joker]

Hurley came up with the idea of the Borg, but I doubt they were involved with his Generations script.

 

[DWF]

Hurley came up with the idea of the Borg, but I doubt they were involved with his Generations script.

Hurley wrote the first Borg ep. but I think the Borg came from the producers as a group.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I love reading about Trek films that never were. Even ones with rubbish premises.

I only saw Generations on video, and I didn't have big expectations for it. IMO it's an okay TV movie/two-part episode. Kirk deserved better (but how weird is it we've seen Kirk be born and die in Trek films?).
Why hasn't his original shot-in-the-back demise ever been released?

 

[Harvey]

His original death scene is on the DVD I own. It's also available online, I think. It's not much to see, though.

 

[STR]

As I recall, the original version was more exciting...up to the point they waste Kirk.

 

[22 Stars]

They should have worked with Nimoy and let him direct and rewrite Generations. Spock could have showed up at the end to save Kirk, while Picard saves they 'day' with Soran and Plot A. Would have been VERY satisfying to see Spock appear at the end, to protect his friend.

 

[seigezunt]

I've always thought Kirk should have died at the end of TUC. Would have been a good heroic exit, and an interesting twist, giving his life to forge peace with the people who killed his son.

At least I have the Crucible: Kirk book to console me with a better ending than Generations...

 

[diankra]

I've always thought Kirk should have died at the end of TUC. Would have been a good heroic exit, and an interesting twist, giving his life to forge peace with the people who killed his son.

At least I have the Crucible: Kirk book to console me with a better ending than Generations...

Do people in this thread know about Walter Koenig's outline for the sixth/farewell original cast film? It's called In Flanders' Field, and as the title suggests has a lot of the original crew dying heroically (there's a synopsis in a book of his, circa 1999. Warped Factors, I think, but might be wrong).

 

[F. King Daniel]

I found Kirk's first death on YouTube. I hadn't searched there for it for years (and when I did all I could find was The Shat's skydiving scene and Geordi getting tortured)
My Generations DVD is a stripped-down cheapo one that originally came with a magazine about the film. At £1 you get what you pay for!

Thanks, all

 

[Botany Bay]

Some interesting posts here, guys.

I think Kelley had more of the same attitude that Johnny Carson had when Leno took over -- if they don't want me as a star anymore, who am I to make a cameo? Both could have been accomodated if they had wanted them bad enough and had the time in the schedule for a rewrite.

Kelley's comment was along the lines of 'I had a great send-off in ST6, so why muddy it up like this?'; Nimoy flat out told Berman that the script needed a huge overhaul. The two old pros knew better.

I remember being so disappointed that Nimoy and Kelley passed on this movie, but they made the right choice, it was a terrible script. Pity Shatner didn't stay away too.

Oh well, in my "personal canon", this film doesn't exist

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Do people in this thread know about Walter Koenig's outline for the sixth/farewell original cast film? It's called In Flanders' Field, and as the title suggests has a lot of the original crew dying heroically (there's a synopsis in a book of his, circa 1999. Warped Factors, I think, but might be wrong).

Here's a summary of the story.

 

[RodrigoBrowncoat]

Allyn Gibson,

Thank you!

 

[VOODOOXI]

Walter Koenig's outline is too depressing. I am a huge fan of Mr. Koenig, but I think the tone is all wrong. Who wants to pay to go to the funeral of a friend or in this case several friends?

The Kirk character was at his best beating the no win scenario. I totally understand that in real life people die, but in ST Kirk at is a symbol of overcoming the impossible. Why insist on killing the larger than life hero?

They should have left well enough alone and let "TUC" be the end of TOS. It was a pretty decent send off. Or they should have had the two crews come together for a big/fun adventure that truly passed the torch.

Instead they gave the public a downer of a film with some of the most illogical/convoluted plot devices (the Nexus) I have ever seen.

Everyone involved dropped the ball as far as "Generations" is concerned.