THE ORVILLE Season Three...

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Serveaux, May 11, 2019.

  1. imdbrefugee

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    With respect, why are you always so terse and dismissive of everything? I don't think it was that stupid a thing to say.
     
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  2. The Wormhole

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    It's funny, I remember back in the early 2000s being frustrated that Star Trek was the only show on TV that refused to do story arcs besides DS9 (this being before Enterprise's third season). Yet, now I feel one of the appeals of Orville is the fact that it's not rigidly serialized. Orville is rather a perfect balance between serialization and event of the week type stories: we get a weekly storyline which is usually resolved by episode's end, but there are also character arcs which continue to develop over the course of the season.

    It is also ironic that in this day and age of seasons averaging a dozen or so episodes telling a single story is when we end up with more fillers than we did in the days of twenty plus standalones, in that we end up with story arcs that can be resolved before the season ends, but since the writers are contractually obligated to a dozen episodes, we end up with episodes which essentially keep the story static so that they can make sure episode 12 or 13 end up being the finale.
    It is well known the Kaylon are technologically superior than the Union and nearly every other race in the known galaxy, with the guys with the space zoo apparently being the only ones who could put up a meaningful fight against them. The only reason the invasion force was defeated was because the Kaylon weren't expecting the Krill to arrive at the Union's aid, though rest assured the Kaylon are almost certainly now factoring in the possibility of a Union-Krill alliance to their battle plans.

    Taking an invasion force by surprise is one thing, launching an attack on the Kaylon homeworld is quite another, and I doubt even a combined Union-Krill fleet would have sufficient strength to pull that off. The smartest thing for the Union and Krill to do regarding the Kaylon at the moment is to build up their own defenses. Going on the offensive would be a suicide mission for whoever is sent, plus it could provoke the Kaylons into stepping up their plans of eradicating the Union and the Krill.
     
  3. Serveaux

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    Pretty much all of that.

    My apologies. I don't think that it was a stupid thing to ask, at all, and that's not what my answer meant. The answer, in my opinion, is simply that launching a war against the Kaylons would be a stupid thing for the Union and Krill to do, for all the excellent reasons that The Wormhole lists above. I don't think that any people have a moral responsibility to take actions that will massively increase the threat of their own complete destruction, just because their enemy has done evil things including attempting to destroy them.
     
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  4. JD

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    We did see some Kaylons out going after other ships in one of the episodes Identity, so there is a chance of run ins with them going into next season. I definitely agree that it would be a bad idea for the Union and other biologicals to go after them, but the Kaylons also aren't just sitting on their asses back home.
     
  5. Nakita Akita

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    So why back in the day, the season ended in May and then started up again in about October?
    They want the series to continue so they expect people to sit around for a year?
    So after an entire year of nothing we're going to remember about silly fictional character's lives?
    Inteallynlike the show but waiting a year for the next episode is ridiculous.
     
  6. kitik

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    We just waited a year for the next episode of Agents of Shield. I think The Expanse took a long time. Lucifer too. And Venture Bros (one of the best shows of the century) takes FOREVER! Deadwood is getting finished off, what, a decade later?

    Of course you're right that waiting sucks. But whatcha gonna do? Seth is a busy guy and The Orville takes a bit more time in post than your average 1/2 hour sitcom or typical police procedural.

    I didn't click on many links, but have we heard anything about how many episodes there'll be in season 3?
     
  7. JirinPanthosa

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    I don’t like that the expectation that TV shows don’t air one season a year has evaporated. I miss my predictable TV season.
     
  8. OCD Geek

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    I'm expecting 13 episodes like Seasons 1 & 2, but I'll happily accept more than that. No official word yet, though.
     
  9. StalwartUK

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    Relieved to hear The Orville will be getting a third season. Seriously thought it wouldn't make it.
     
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  10. Astra

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    I keep saying one of the reasons why I love this show so much is because it reminds me of Stargate SG-1. They also did that perfectly, some episodes were event of the week, but the longer the show went on the bigger the universe grew, with stories being picked up again and continued, and with returning characters.
    But we did get a "what happened so far" at the beginning then. Wonder why the Orville doesn't do these? Of course sometimes they spoiled what the episode would be focused on. (and sometimes there were "what happened before" that we never before saw in the series but was only filmed especially)

    Being a fan of British series is even worse. Two years between seasons is normal, whether it's Sherlock, Broadchurch, Liar or whatever. They wait first whether it's a success, and when it is then they start thinking about doing more, and then filming much later when they can get everyone together again for the same time slot. And it's usually only about 6 or 8 episodes.

    Or what about Stranger Things? Almost two years between season 2 and 3. It has been said that The Orville is being produced like a streaming series.

    I have found some really well written fanfictions on AO3 and became friends with the authors and we write and comment on each other's stories, that should keep me occupied for the time being. Especially one is being written like an episode with lots of twists and turns and plot and action. Highly recommended. Should be near the top of the list if you look for it as it keeps getting updated regularly every few days.
     
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  11. Marc

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    Guess it's a change in production methods/approach.

    In the interview linked either here or the other Orville thread, Seth McFarlane mentions they shot The Orville as it was a streaming show. That is until all the scripts are ready to go for a season, the sets stay dark (and probably also means that they don't air until all the episodes are in the can but don't quote me on that).
     
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  12. The Wormhole

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    It's a reality of television these days. We'll also have to wait an entire year for Disco and Doctor Who. Hell, every show on a streaming service always has a year between their seasons. Just the way shit is these days.
    I would guess because they eat up about a minute of screen time that could be devoted to story material. As evidenced by the fact they didn't bother with a recap of Identity Part 1 in Part 2. Also, the last two episodes of the season ditched the opening credit sequence altogether.
    BSG had a really serious problem of including deleted scenes from other episodes in their previously on recaps.
     
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  13. JirinPanthosa

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    I like the comparison between Orville and SG1, but to me a big distinction that makes you watch them differently is that the actors in SG1 had more gravity in dramatic moments, and they kept the silliest things in the silly episodes.
     
  14. Kitty Worrier

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    There was a full year (if not slightly more by a couple weeks) between seasons one and two, so this is no surprise.
     
  15. JD

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    Didn't The Sopranos have a couple times where they went 2 or 3 years between seasons?
    Don't forget we also have the comics coming up.
     
  16. Astra

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    Seriously, in episode 2x04 when Ed was sitting in that prison cell, and the Krill came in with the pain-stick? For a brief moment I was wondering what show I was watching ;) If this show was shot in Vancouver I would wonder if they had the same set designer.

    There may have been dedicated silly episodes like "Wormhole X-Treme" or the one that made me a fan (the first I ever watched ) "Window of Opportunity", but there was always some light banter going on even in serious situations. RDA and Michael Shanks were so good at comedy timing. And I guess we already have established that Teal'c and Bortus are brothers in spirit or whatever the correct term is.

    I also keep remembering the scene where Sam was supposed to work on something important to get them out of a dire situation, no pressure at all, and Jack says not to worry because they have been in worse situations before and then Teal'c deadpanning "No, we have not." I loved that stuff. Or how about "It's time for plan B" - "We do have a plan B?" - "No, but it's time for it." The fact that I still can quote these years later despite having not watched it in ages should tell us something.

    One thing I also noticed this season, not sure if he did it last year already - Ed is always picking up stuff and fiddling with it, just like Jack! When he goes to talk to Isaac about making up to Claire, when he asks Talla about her feeling about Gordon's friend, and I think there was a third time also.

    Just watched the scene with Talla again and here's a question: How is he just walking in, without her saying "come in"?

    Yes! Very much looking forward to those! The images we saw so far look incredible. My only complaint would be that Ed should have a bit more of a five-o-clock shadow ;)

    What I would like even more is a proper novel to dive in though. And action figures so I can make up my own stories. Yes, action figures really would be nice!
     
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  17. Turtletrekker

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    I don't know about The Sopranos, but 24 did it all the time.
     
  18. Nakita Akita

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    What I would like even more is a proper novel to dive in though. And action figures so I can make up my own stories. Yes, action figures really would be nice!

    Like life size action figures?:nyah:
     
  19. JD

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    I'm talking about actual real world gaps, not time jumps in the show.
    I just checked and there were a couple times where that was over a year between seasons, but none of went to two.
     
  20. Richard Baker

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    Just waited for twenty months for this season of 'Game of Thrones '