THE ORVILLE S2, E4: "NOTHING LEFT ON EARTH EXCEPTING FISHES"

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  1. Amaris

    Amaris Fuzzy Logic Generator Premium Member

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    I'm not really a fan of Darulio as a character, but watching Ed get jazzed up about dating him was worth every second, so I even like that one.
     
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  2. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Known Robot Sympathizer Moderator

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    Yeah, she was pretty much introduced in one episode and the next time we see her, she and Ed are dating and she turns out to be a Krill. It had no impact. They should have dragged it out some and showed some sort of relationship forming. Discovery handled that trope a lot better by actually making their Tyler likeable and developing his relationship with Burnham before pulling the rug out from under it, but leaving some hints that it could continue eventually.

    It’s a different kind of show with a vastly different tone, but they could have at least let you feel something. I did like the use of Billy Joel though.
     
  3. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    I'd probably go with the Darullio episode too as my "least" favorite, mostly because of the.... "Rapey" stuff in it, mostly with Claire and Yaphit.
     
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  4. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

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    Oh, the Claire/Yaphit stuff was great. As was the Ed/Daruilio stuff.
     
  5. Trekker4747

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    The Ed/Darullio stuff I was mostly okay with, but the Yaphit stuff tread too much into a rape-like situation for me. It was just sort of uncomfortable to watch.
     
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  6. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

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    Yes, you've said that twice.
     
  7. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think we all figured out Janel was Teleya weeks ago but I still enjoyed this episode a lot. I must say the Krill makeup is fantastic. I also love their uniforms and their ships. Billy Joel was a nice touch. The twist reminded me of Seska/Chakotay moreso than Burnham/Tyler. I guess because Voyager did it first.
     
  8. tharpdevenport

    tharpdevenport Admiral Admiral

    Sigh. The internet.

    Okay, one: My above quote doesn't define anything. So you falsely quoted me to tell me I'm wrong.

    Two: Your "correction" on my use of the word, is incorrect. I stated (and this is the excerpt you used):

    Which you replied (in full):

    In order for my statement to not be true, it would have to have been written as a fact that is in arguable, like the sky is blue and two plus two equals four. So it's obvious it is exactly what it is: a personal opinion.

    So, now we got to the word "truism".

    The word as the definition that comes up at the top of a Google search (that doesn't cite the source_:

    "a statement that is obviously true and says nothing new or interesting"

    From the Oxford dictionary online:
    "a statement that is obviously true and says nothing new or interesting"

    Merriam-Webster dictionary online:
    "an undoubted or self-evident truth especially : one too obvious for mention"


    Okay, so my statement was a personal opinion and not a fact so it's not a truism. Then you tell me my opinion is wrong, but my opinion by the very definition of the word opinion does not mean my opinion is "Not true". In order for it to have not been true, it would have to have been passed off as a fact, which -- again -- it was not. But your post of "Not true" tells me and the readers that I am in factual error, so you're passing it off as a truism, which is the only way I could be wrong.



    Good tap-dancing Lord, the things one has to waste their life on, on the internet.
     
  9. Amaris

    Amaris Fuzzy Logic Generator Premium Member

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    Eh, Ed was bouncing back from his rejection by Kelly. It was believable for me as a person who can become emotionally invested in someone with little time or provocation. I never really liked the Burnham/Tyler romance. I wanted Burnham with Tilly, first of all, but even so Tyler just felt so generic. He's like the male Prince that shows up in a Disney film, wanting to save the damsel in distress. I was relieved when that relationship folded because it felt wrong the whole time.

    Just my two bits, though.
     
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  10. Cyrus

    Cyrus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I just saw this one. It was OK. Interesting that both the Teleya/Tyler and Voq/Tyler twists were figured out by fans due to the casting of actors for the roles.
     
  11. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    What? Javid Iqbal was in this Orville episode? Hmm. Didn’t recognize him at all. Quite the chameleon.
     
  12. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

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    Just watched the thirdepisodewithareallylongname and was blown away by the number of direct links to TOS, TNG and ENT episodes as well as the book/movie "Enemy Mine". A moderately interesting episode but the cliché baggage was almost too much.
     
  13. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There never was a real actor named Javid Iqbal. Shazad Latif made that name up to obscure the fact that DSC's Tyler and Voq were the same person and that he played both.

    A lot of people figured out that plot twist well in advance, though, because it was way too much of a coincidence for Tyler to conveniently show up as a prisoner of the Klingons after we saw Voq agree to an undercover mission (and the fact that 'Javid Iqbal' had no other acting credits to his name, certainly fueled the fire).

    Here, though, it seems that Orville fans pounced on the Tyler/Telaya relationship because they already knew that the same actress played both parts.
     
  14. Ovation

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    I know. That was the joke. ;)
     
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  15. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

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    Locutus of Bored was the person here who called it.

    The STD thing with Voq was such an embarrassing, amateurish bungle. Hiding shit like that is not easy and takes a lot of planning; the producers did nothing right.
     
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  16. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    Except they didn't really go out of their way to hide it (or that Lorca was from the mirror universe) AT ALL; so you proceed from a false assumption. There were clues laced through a number of episodes.
     
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  17. JD

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    The other real world give away was the fact that Shazad Latif was originally announced as playing Voq, and then they "recast" him as Tyler.
     
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  18. Serveaux

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    Exactly - the dummies thought they could make this kind of "surprise" up as they went along.

    Too many people now pay too close attention to all the minutiae of casting announcements, Twitter feeds, even production call sheets, to wing something like this. People who knew what they were doing, would have known this.
     
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  19. JD

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    I have to admit, I wasn't sure when people first started talking about that the whole Tyler/Voq thing, but then I remembered the casting announcements, and after that I was sure. I keep wondering if someone screwed up the announcements there or if they decided on the twist later and thought no one would pick up on it.
     
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  20. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

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    The latter.

    Amateur night.
     
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