THE ORVILLE S2, E10: "BLOOD OF PATRIOTS"

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  1. Brennyren

    Brennyren Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I liked the set-up, and the interaction between Gordon and Orrin was great. I did feel like the resolution was a let-down, though. They agonized most of the episode over whether Orrin's actions could justify handing him over to the Krill, and in the end Orrin's suicide meant they never had to make the call.
     
  2. tharpdevenport

    tharpdevenport Admiral Admiral

    Talla boldly went where no Union officer had gone before.
     
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  3. MarsWeeps

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    So what happened to the girl with the explosive blood? No mention of her after she was locked in her quarters.
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    Presumably she'll be turned over to the authorities at the next Union base the Orville stops off at.
     
  5. Velocity

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    Did they tell the Krill how their ships were destroyed? Probably not or the Krill would have demanded her to be turned over to them.
     
  6. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Definitely recognizable, but I had to check IMDB.
     
  7. MrPointy

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    The impression I got about the Krill going ahead with the peace treaty, especially from the Krill Captain in Identity pt. II, was that them working with the Union to fight the Kaylon was literally a sign from Avis telling them to do so.
     
  8. theenglish

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    In the episode, Admiral Danson specifically identifies more moderate factions within the Krill having more influence in its governance. It is entirely possible that Krill society is a little more nuanced than we have seen so far.
     
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  9. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

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    Well, this was another very good episode, and Gordon got his moment in the sun for some serious drama. I suspect that this is another step in the long-term character arc that started with his odd admission of low self-esteem at Alara's homeworld and continued with his request to take the command test.

    The story was somewhat reminiscent of the TNG episode that introduced the Cardassians in that the enemy aliens seemed to be falsely accusing one of our people of crimes, but are proven to be correct-- however there are a few substantial differences and twists. Most notably, the officer in Orville was not on active duty, but in fact had been a Krill PO(undeclared)W for twenty years; and the Krill, unlike the Cardassians, seemed to be making sincere overtures for peace. This led to a whole spectrum of moral quandaries, both on the personal and larger scales, that had no easy answers or satisfactory solutions. But while the presentation of the moral ambiguity of peaceful coexistence between conflicting ideologies was realistically disturbing, there was nothing ambiguous about Gordon's characterization-- his moral character, both in terms of personal relationships and patriotism, were shown to be solidly grounded, which was really nice.

    The episode was essentially about Gordon being tortured, from the moment he found out his old friend had been in a prison camp all those years to the moment he had to let him die in the shuttle. It was painful to watch their quiet catch-up conversation slowly become Gordon's bitter realization of how deeply his pal was damaged, and to see him bewildered and conflicted over the guy's attempt to enlist him in a treasonous terrorist attack, to watch his face as the others on the bridge discussed his theft of the tube, to see him report their conversation to Talla, and to see him have to fight the guy who saved his life-- essentially a fight to the death. And that was one brutal TOS-style fight. Gordon is no longer the class clown.

    They did fool me a bit when Gordon went to the guy's cabin, seemingly straight from his meeting with Talla, and agreed to help him. I knew that Gordon was setting him up, but I thought he was going to unilaterally try to keep him out of trouble, only to be implicated as an accomplice, so I was pleased to see that he had done the smart and mature thing for a change.

    There were a lot of other great moments in this episode as well: Yaphit got a well-deserved medal, Talla got to be Supergirl twice, Claire got to save the day with a bit of arcane space knowledge, Ed got to broker a peace treaty, and Ed and Gordon got to reaffirm their friendship. And Gordon getting flung through space in his spacesuit was pretty harrowing. And the Sci-Fi gimmick of the girl with the explosive blood from "a distant part of space" was pretty cool. And just so we don't forget it's The Orville, we got urine tests and rubber gloves. :rommie:

    There were a couple of plot holes, like some fudging around the sensor scans and medical exams, and Gordon failing to just stun the guy in the shuttle, but overall this was another strong episode.
     
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  10. guyute03

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    Great episode, great show.
    I pray to The Prophets it continues.
     
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  11. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    More and more they remind me of the Orville Romulans. Not exactly the same, but they came in on the good guys side the way the Rommies did on DS9, they have green warp engines, etc.
     
  12. JRoss

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    That scene where Gordon just steps off into space was very terrifying in its bleakness. Also, I assume they gave the girl to the Krill. No reason not to. She's not a Union Citizen. Leave it up to her people to argue for her. But since she was clearly a criminal like Orrin, she deserves what she gets.
     
  13. Noname Given

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    That because Dr. Fin acteress (Penny Johnson Jerald) is probably the only decent actor on that show left after the actress playing Alara (Halston Sage) left. The majority of the rest can barely deliver their lines convincingly most times. Seth McFarlane is a good voice actor; but in actual 'filmed' acting, he leaves A LOT to be desired. He definitely isn't up to being a main lead.
     
  14. Photoman15

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    The Krill didn't know about the girl and only wanted Orrin.
    (They knew there was a girl with Orrin, but did not know she was the explosive and were not interested in her).
     
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  15. Finn

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    I'm pretty sure Ed mentioned this to them....Krill would have wanted to look into the nature of the weapon and they likely assumed it was on the Krill shuttle they were on...
     
  16. Romulan_spy

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    I had the same thought. Here on Earth, we are so used to having an up and down. I remember as a kid, when I was swimming in the pool, if I started to go under a little bit, I could always stretch my legs out and feel the bottom of the pool and I knew I would not sink. I felt safe again. There is comfort in knowing where the ground is. We feel grounded and safe when we are on the ground. Even if we are floating in orbit high above the earth in the middle of space, we'd still be able to see the Earth and know where down is, where the ground is. We could still orient ourselves accordingly. But Gordon was in the middle of the nothingness of space. There was no up or down. No ground. And you are not falling either. You are not falling towards a ground. You are just hanging there with nothingness all around you, with nothing to hold or ground yourself.
     
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  17. Finn

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    Nah. There's still some kind of gravitational pull. Technically, one never can escape some kind of degree of gravity wherever you are.. But I know what you mean :)
     
  18. Forbin

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    I love how the title turned out to be so literal.
     
  19. DarthPipes

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    Good episode. Definitely The Orville's version of The Wounded but again, they put their own spin on it and resolve things differently. Strong episode for Scott Grimes and the Gordon character and I appreciate the situation that Mercer is put in here.

    A gripe...Gordon showing his friend's "daughter", whom he believed had grown up in a brutal Krill prison camp, Planet of the Apes is just intentional stupidity. Seriously, the apes believe humans are savages and treat them that way. How is that going to help someone he thought probably went through similar treatment?
     
  20. Admiral2

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    Hey, Fox gotta maximize that library somehow before it gets Disneyfied.