I actually thought her acting was better in this episode than she ever was as Kasidy Yates back on DS9.
THE ORVILLE S1, E8: "INTO THE FOLD"
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I actually thought her acting was better in this episode than she ever was as Kasidy Yates back on DS9.
According to tech manuals, warp 9 is about 1500c and it goes up from there, scaling close to n^3.3 until it approaches 10, so warp 9.9 is more like 6 ly/day.
I'd probably say this was the "weakest" episode so far but mostly in a "something has to be in last place" kind of way, there were plenty of good moments in it, like last week the humor was better balanced and worked better in the story without being too obvious and standing out, it felt like a sort-of "average" episode of most Trek series. It reminds me, in part, of a DS9 episode with Quark and Odo crash-landed on a planet, and TNG episode with Picard and Wesley crashed on a planet though those had different dynamics and back-drops for their stories and how things happened. (Namely dealing with the confrontation between Odo and Quark and Wesley getting in one final adventure before leaving the Enterprise for good.)
In "Pria" we're told the ship can make 10 lightyears per hour and here the shuttle is tossed 1000 light years from into uncharted space. This should "only" be a 100-hour trip for the Orville which is just over four days but Isaac says it'll take over a week for the ship to reach them traveling conventionally. This implies the ship cannot maintain its FTL drive speeds for long periods of time without some kind of resting period. (It's unseen/unknown if they went back through the anomaly to reach their original coordinates, or if the distance was superficial enough to not risk it and just deal with the longer trip back to where they should be.)
A "Good" episode. Still liking the series very much and look forward to the next episode but, for me, last week was a lot to try and top.
I don't think it's accurate to say he was a "hero." He may have saved her in some sense, but he was holding her captive against her will and refused to let her leave, so we don't know what his longer-term intentions and goals were with her. Killing him was something of a "necessity" in order for her to escape.
I'm basing it off Voyager where we're told it'll take then 70 years to make the 70,000 light year trip back to the edge of Federation space, this is 1000 lightyears/year or less than 3 light years per day, assuming non-stop travel, this is likely an "average" speed of it not pushing Max. Warp and straining fuel/engines. "Official" charts have Warp 9.6 as the maximum speed that can be maintained for 12 hours, assuming this speed is ever made so it can be maintained longer it's about 4 LY/day. The charts have warp 9.9 as initiating auto-shutdown after 10 minutes but at this speed a ship can make a little less than 10 ly/day.
But we're told, directly, the Orville's best speed is 10 LY/hour! So it's orders of magnitude faster than Starfleet ships depending on which Warp Factor limits you want to go with (cruising speed (Warp 6), maximum speed that can be maintained for long periods of time (Warp 9.2), maximum speed that can be maintained for 12 hours (Warp 9.6) or maximum speed at which auto-shutdown occurs after 10 minutes. (Warp 9.9).
In "Pria" we're told the ship can make 10 lightyears per hour and here the shuttle is tossed 1000 light years from into uncharted space. This should "only" be a 100-hour trip for the Orville which is just over four days but Isaac says it'll take over a week for the ship to reach them traveling conventionally. This implies the ship cannot maintain its FTL drive speeds for long periods of time without some kind of resting period. (It's unseen/unknown if they went back through the anomaly to reach their original coordinates, or if the distance was superficial enough to not risk it and just deal with the longer trip back to where they should be.)
A "Good" episode. Still liking the series very much and look forward to the next episode but, for me, last week was a lot to try and top.
I don't think it's accurate to say he was a "hero." He may have saved her in some sense, but he was holding her captive against her will and refused to let her leave, so we don't know what his longer-term intentions and goals were with her. Killing him was something of a "necessity" in order for her to escape.
I'm basing it off Voyager where we're told it'll take then 70 years to make the 70,000 light year trip back to the edge of Federation space, this is 1000 lightyears/year or less than 3 light years per day, assuming non-stop travel, this is likely an "average" speed of it not pushing Max. Warp and straining fuel/engines. "Official" charts have Warp 9.6 as the maximum speed that can be maintained for 12 hours, assuming this speed is ever made so it can be maintained longer it's about 4 LY/day. The charts have warp 9.9 as initiating auto-shutdown after 10 minutes but at this speed a ship can make a little less than 10 ly/day.
But we're told, directly, the Orville's best speed is 10 LY/hour! So it's orders of magnitude faster than Starfleet ships depending on which Warp Factor limits you want to go with (cruising speed (Warp 6), maximum speed that can be maintained for long periods of time (Warp 9.2), maximum speed that can be maintained for 12 hours (Warp 9.6) or maximum speed at which auto-shutdown occurs after 10 minutes. (Warp 9.9).
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That was understandable though. He incarcerated her against her will and then forced her into a self defense situation, and she still probably wouldn't have killed him to escape if she hadn't just heard her child was sick.
She did what any mother would do in a 'Stranger versus her child' situation.
The weird thing is she grabbed at something which looked like a short piece of rebar. I thought for sure that meant she was going to club him unconscious rather than stab him in the gut without provocation and shoot him.
Shooting people in the arms and legs is a TV convention to prevent the heroes from getting blood on their hands, I think that she grabbed a razor gave it an element of realism rather than the usual TV safety. In the real world, if you're going to use lethal force, use it.
She was not without provocation. Whatever his intentions or motives, he imprisoned her, and by detaining her endangered the lives of her children. I like that she stabbed him because it's the first thing I've seen in Orville that truly separates it from its source material.
Hm ... while that would help explain the plot's paint-by-numbers quality, it didn't seem bizarre, insulting, or riddled-with-plot-holes enough for Braga.
I dunno. I'm a parent, and I could relate to a fair amount of this episode, but I couldn't see attempting to murder my captor in cold blood. Of course, I'm not a Starfleet...I mean Union...officer.
If somebody locked you in their house and refused to let you go, and the only way to escape was to kill them, you wouldn't do it?
Sure, you could try to incapacitate them, but the odds of success are much lower than going for the kill. It was clear cut self defense.
I love Dr. Finn and loved the character moments in this. Might be my favorite so far. The kid actors did a good job, too -- way better than most. They seemed like a believable family.
The scene where Isaac reads "Peter Cottontail" in their mother's voice was genuinely touching.
The scene where Isaac reads "Peter Cottontail" in their mother's voice was genuinely touching.
She was being held captive by this guy, and clearly understood what his interest was. Anything she did to him was self-defense.
I liked her instruction to her son about keeping the weapon on stun, but it was a little ironic after her use of lethal force.
Nice that they planned to try to treat the war survivors.
Kudos to Braga and Bormanis.
I liked her instruction to her son about keeping the weapon on stun, but it was a little ironic after her use of lethal force.
Nice that they planned to try to treat the war survivors.
Kudos to Braga and Bormanis.
And she still wouldn't have killed him unless her child was in danger.
Probably not. She might have been willing to try to persuade him over a longer period of time, with the expectation that the Orville would arrive eventually.
Selling the "I'm hurt and need antibiotics" seemed a little unlikely given that she'd seemed to be bleeding from multiple injuries after the crash itself but had expressed no such concern.
Selling the "I'm hurt and need antibiotics" seemed a little unlikely given that she'd seemed to be bleeding from multiple injuries after the crash itself but had expressed no such concern.
Yup, something about never stepping between a mother bear and her cubs comes to mind.
It may not have been very sci-fi but that was my favorite episode so far. The character development for Finn and especially Isaac was fantastic and the kids I initially wanted to die painful deaths out of an airlock managed to change my opinion of them as the episode progressed.
This episode also managed to balance the humor and serious parts MUCH better than previous ones, with nothing that felt out of place despite a few off-color jokes ("into the gloryhole!”).
Good stuff.
Yes, in fact, it was. He's even listed in the episode credits at the start if Act One.
I must say that I had every expectation of not liking this episode, more so than all other previous weeks. The doctor has been my least favorite character. Children on board the ship still grates at me as much as it does with Star Trek, & the plot looked to be a basic survival/dual character type shtick. I really did think this might be a week I wouldn't care for
Man, I was just wrong. They actually had touching moments in there. Isaac reading the bedtime story in Finn's voice somehow came off very well. While the plot aspects came off very cookie cutter in how they played out, the character stuff was just spot on, & I actually like this aspect of ambiguity about our heroes' actions. That captor may very well have been acting in what he thought was her best interest, & frankly, in the moment, it doesn't matter.
The little nod at the end about how she hadn't filed her report, about her end of the dilemma, seems to suggest that she is herself ambivalent about what she had to do. By all accounts, that guy wasn't one of the cannibalistic infected horde, & took her into his home to help her, but in having no respect for her wishes, nor her individual rights, whether acting for his own safety or whatever, he ran the risk of creating that specific conflictual dynamic. I thought it was a bold choice to leave it the way they did.
The actress playing the doctor (who I hadn't really cared for up to now) has just had her stock in my book go up remarkably
Man, I was just wrong. They actually had touching moments in there. Isaac reading the bedtime story in Finn's voice somehow came off very well. While the plot aspects came off very cookie cutter in how they played out, the character stuff was just spot on, & I actually like this aspect of ambiguity about our heroes' actions. That captor may very well have been acting in what he thought was her best interest, & frankly, in the moment, it doesn't matter.
The little nod at the end about how she hadn't filed her report, about her end of the dilemma, seems to suggest that she is herself ambivalent about what she had to do. By all accounts, that guy wasn't one of the cannibalistic infected horde, & took her into his home to help her, but in having no respect for her wishes, nor her individual rights, whether acting for his own safety or whatever, he ran the risk of creating that specific conflictual dynamic. I thought it was a bold choice to leave it the way they did.
The actress playing the doctor (who I hadn't really cared for up to now) has just had her stock in my book go up remarkably
I went into this episode totally neutral, I thought it was a great episode, I really liked Dr. Finn and Isaac respectively in this episode. the plot was serviceable enough given the context of the show, This was a character piece and in that regard it was great. I saw some post talk about the lack of humor in this ep. but I felt there was plenty of humor in Isaacs interactions with Dr. finns sons. The scene at the end with Isaac and Finn was pretty touching too. Loved the damage report bit as well. Gave this one and excellent. Man I'm so glad this show got renewed, it really is surpassing all the (admittedly low in the beginning) expectations I had of it. Man, nerd-dom needs a show like this right now.
I thought this was a good, solid episode. Dr. Finn is a great character, and Jerald is extremely entertainig.
My only complaint would be that I thought that Finn would have/should have shared more intelligence with Isaac when she made contact. I expected her to inform Isaac what she had been told about the contaminant in the water after learning that her son was sick and that Isaac and the children might encounter her captor while he was attempting to recover gear from the wreckage.
I was reminded of 10 Cloverfield Lane, but fortunately they didn't push any parallel with it too much.
This week I'm voting excellent.
My only complaint would be that I thought that Finn would have/should have shared more intelligence with Isaac when she made contact. I expected her to inform Isaac what she had been told about the contaminant in the water after learning that her son was sick and that Isaac and the children might encounter her captor while he was attempting to recover gear from the wreckage.
I was reminded of 10 Cloverfield Lane, but fortunately they didn't push any parallel with it too much.
This week I'm voting excellent.
