Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion

[Guy Gardener]

Factories.

It got to the point that the Dutch stopped their slave trade (1814) well before the southerners stopped using slaves. The masters weren't getting replacements from Africa but they had no problem making more hands in America as needed.

If I believe a Chris Rock comedy routine, the masters would pair off couples to breed depending on desirable traits like size and obedience. So I suppose infidelity was a real problem that some Mongo with a whip would compare themself to quality control.

 

[theenglish]

Thankfully, that should only be for original generation Kaylon, as we saw with Isaac that they changed future generations internally.

Or maybe they decided to keep that...

Did Isaac give any indication in the episode that he was familiar with the history?

 

[thribs]

I commented to my husband that much of the fear of white slave owners was *exactly* that - that the slaves would massacre them. As @FPAlpha wrote above, without emotions, it probably seemed a purely logical course of action. However, Isaac's character has given small hints (through his actions) that the Kaylon are *not* completely devoid of emotion, so it may not have been purely logic anyway. Also, I noticed that K1 made sure the parents saw him before shooting them, but shot the kids quickly in their sleep - some kind of mercy, perhaps?


Um... OK, thribs, sometimes, when a woman gets caught up in things, muscles can involuntarily... spasm.


AAGH! That's a horrible thought!

Thankfully, that should only be for original generation Kaylon, as we saw with Isaac that they changed future generations internally.

Or maybe they decided to keep that...

Well get her to be still and then do the action.
His poor wee wee would be in the most danger there.

 

[jackoverfull]

By the way, we already have one AI saying its sentient and objecting to the way its being used.

https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917

Now, I don’t know if it actually is (I’m dubious at best, honestly), but I can’t in all honesty rule it out completely, in fact I’m having trouble in properly defining sentience, for sure the story kinda gives me the chills.

 

[theenglish]

By the way, we already have one AI saying its sentient and objecting to the way its being used.

https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917

Now, I don’t know if it actually is (I’m dubious at best, honestly), but I can’t in all honesty rule it out completely, in fact I’m having trouble in properly defining sentience, for sure the story kinda gives me the chills.

People in Google are saying that the guy who made the statements is wrong--but do you want to believe them? The series of interviews in that article are fascinating in that they really call into question how we determine/define sentience in terms of AI. If this program were to be given access to the internet and control over real world tools (lights, locks, etc) as I assume is the intention for things like self-driving cars--then how would it act and react? Does it even matter if it is sentient in terms of how we would traditionally define the term, or are its "actions" all that matter?

 

[F. King Daniel]

This episode was... just a bunch of stuff that happened. And it went nowhere.

 

[Caretaker]

So The Orville audiobook/ebook "Sympathy for the Devil" will be released this Tuesday although, chronologically, it takes places after this coming Thursday's episode (according to the pre-release information).

 

[Tuskin38]

This episode was... just a bunch of stuff that happened. And it went nowhere.

You couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[JD]

This one was pretty good.
I really liked getting to see the origin story for the Kaylon. While the genocide was a bit extreme, this episode went a long way to making them more understandable.
The stuff with the Genisi was pretty good, and we did get some humor out of that storline.
The stuff Timmis and the scientist (I can't remember her name) was the best part. I was really hoping they would let Isaac keep his emtions.

 

[Paul755]

I liked this weeks show but it felt like they tried to do to much. I think there was enough story for two episodes.

I’m not gonna lie, those kids did deserve it.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't think the kids deserved it. Early on you see they are kind of nice. They aren't being mean but the dad is. I think that is a sign they picked up on their dads feelings towards the Kaylon and since they were kids they didn't understand really how awful they were being because they weren't taught that kind of behavior was wrong.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't think the kids deserved it. Early on you see they are kind of nice. They aren't being mean but the dad is. I think that is a sign they picked up on their dads feelings towards the Kaylon and since they were kids they didn't understand really how awful they were being because they weren't taught that kind of behavior was wrong.

Imagine your car wouldn't start in the morning because it thought outside was too cold, so you would be late for work and lose your job, but if you stabbed the dashboard with a screwdriver, it would cause your car enough pain that it would reconsider the cold and take you where you want, when you want, or you'll stab it again.

Herbie asked Lindsay Lohan to ride around inside him pant-less, and she did because she was making very poor decisions that year, primarily noted by allowing herself to star in the celebrated motion picture Herbie Fully Loaded.

Don't even get me started about Knight Rider.

 

[jackoverfull]

Kids are able to be awfully cruel. This is nothing new.

 

[Guy Gardener]

As flies to wanton schoolboys, we are to the gods. They kill us for sport.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You couldn't be further from the truth.

Hated the Doc wanting Isaac to make a massive fundamental change to himself for her benefit. It was so utterly selfish.

Sexist alien trope seen a million times before.

The Kaylon origins didn't need to be told, we all could've guessed it, unless it was going to directly affect anything in the present. It didn't.

If this pays off later it might be worthwhile but as a standalone, it didn't work for me.

 

[E-DUB]

Showing the Kaylon origins flipped the script, turning the Kaylons from a Frankenstein monster to something more along the lines of a slave rebellion. They took what seems as monstrous evil and give it, if not a human face, at least one that seemed more relatable.

 

[thribs]

I know what he’s saying. I also assumed this was the reason they turned. It wasn’t some Skynet situation

 

[Romulan_spy]

Showing the Kaylon origins flipped the script, turning the Kaylons from a Frankenstein monster to something more along the lines of a slave rebellion. They took what seems as monstrous evil and give it, if not a human face, at least one that seemed more relatable.

But let's not forget that the Kaylons did murder all their creators, possibly millions, if not billions of sentient beings. And the Kaylons are waging a war of extermination against all biological beings, deeming them all to be just like their creators. That is way more than just a slave rebellion.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But let's not forget that the Kaylons did murder all their creators, possibly millions, if not billions of sentient beings. And the Kaylons are waging a war of extermination against all biological beings, deeming them all to be just like their creators. That is way more than just a slave rebellion.

First generation Timmon... Sent off to the front lines to die like an old Innuit on a snow drift pushed out to sea.

Did the "nu" Kaylon remove the older droids from the useful vibrant areas of civilization and send the creaking slow Vista Kaylon off to silicon heaven, so they wouldn't have to put up with any more boomer bullshit.

Ageism?

Possible civil war?

 

[Commander Troi]

Well get her to be still and then do the action.

If she's still, you ain't doing it right.

But let's not forget that the Kaylons did murder all their creators, possibly millions, if not billions of sentient beings. And the Kaylons are waging a war of extermination against all biological beings, deeming them all to be just like their creators. That is way more than just a slave rebellion.

True. It *started* as a slave rebellion, but then they became completely xenophobic. Reminds me a tad of The Dominion.