Yes, it's three months. I'm just expecting it to pop up randomly in the finale, perhaps even in the final scene.
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Ah, my bad
But Tuvix was a creepy fucker. I was glad she did that.
I'm glad somebody finally had the stones to say this.
The sandwich will reappear as a super intelligent, evil, galaxy threatening entity, hell-bent on conquest.
Except it will still be the size of a sandwich, so someone just eats it.
I hope it shows up in some episode of Trek first. It just appears on someones console much to that crew members curiosity. LD would be best but probably too late now.
But Tuvix was a creepy fucker. I was glad she did that.
Don't you mean to say Tuvix was a sweet innocent Angel. A prime example of what pure Love would look like if it was contained in a single living being. His death was like watching all that is good in the world come to a end and knowing something that perfect will never exist again.
This last episode was great, and Scott Grimes really gave a great performance.
They definitely were in a bit of a no win scenario with 2025 Gordon, there really was no clean, perfect choice there.
I kept expecting to get one last scene at the end with 2025 Gordon, Laura, and their kids alive and well in an alternate, so I was a little disappointed when we get that.
I understand the idea behind the Union's time travel law, but it is a bit unrealistic to expect a person to spend their entire life from the point they travel back in time never making any contact with another person. Depending on how old the person is at the time, and how long people live in the 25th Century that could be close to or even over a century, and I really can't see anybody spending that much time completely alone, 24/7/365. It's pretty much inevitable that at some point they're not going to be able to take it anymore, will do what Gordon did, and say fuck this and join civilization.
They definitely were in a bit of a no win scenario with 2025 Gordon, there really was no clean, perfect choice there.
I kept expecting to get one last scene at the end with 2025 Gordon, Laura, and their kids alive and well in an alternate, so I was a little disappointed when we get that.
I understand the idea behind the Union's time travel law, but it is a bit unrealistic to expect a person to spend their entire life from the point they travel back in time never making any contact with another person. Depending on how old the person is at the time, and how long people live in the 25th Century that could be close to or even over a century, and I really can't see anybody spending that much time completely alone, 24/7/365. It's pretty much inevitable that at some point they're not going to be able to take it anymore, will do what Gordon did, and say fuck this and join civilization.
Gordon really had a point. He joined civilization but he didn't give away any secrets of the future or do anything to seriously mess with history as he knew it. He was just an average working man. Mercer could easily check the Orville database to see if anything had been altered from their memories. Whose to say the lives of random people who might have ceased to exist are any more or less important than the lives of the people in the new timeline. I would love to see an episode with the life of the alternate Gordon--his timeline might cease to exist according to the Orville, but from 2025 Gordon's perspective he would live a full life.
I had mixed feelings with this episode. It didn't bring out anger like last week's episode did, and there were great parts to it, but I feel like this was a 40 minute episode stretched to fit the Hulu run time. The stuff with the Jinisi (?) and Talla and John didn't need to be in this episode at all. The stuff with Talla and John actually reminds me a little of 7 and Chakotay from Voyager in that we have never seen them together other than a brief shot last week and it just detracted from the rest of the episode. The stuff with the Jinisi reminded me too much of TNG's Angel 1, and I keep wondering is it really worth joining the Union? They talk about morals and "following the rules" (Like last week, also, saying that present day is a backwards society) but time and again they do questionable things, like negotiate with backward societies or not rescue their own people, or judging people for doing incredibly human acts that might be against time travel rules.
The stuff I did like was basically the other half of the episode, especially Issac, Claire, seeing the flashbacks of the Kaylons being mistreated. Everything about that could have fit it's own episode and been like 40-45 minutes. I did hope the writers would have allowed Issac to keep the upgrades though, but I guess he wouldn't be Issac anymore. I even like Charley coming around.
The stuff I did like was basically the other half of the episode, especially Issac, Claire, seeing the flashbacks of the Kaylons being mistreated. Everything about that could have fit it's own episode and been like 40-45 minutes. I did hope the writers would have allowed Issac to keep the upgrades though, but I guess he wouldn't be Issac anymore. I even like Charley coming around.
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Damn I was hoping the wooden boy would become a real boy but que sera sera.
also while I don't commend genocide, I'm glad the Kaylon creators got what they deserved. No wonder the Kaylon are who they are.
also while I don't commend genocide, I'm glad the Kaylon creators got what they deserved. No wonder the Kaylon are who they are.
What an emotional episode of The Orville.
Pun intended.
At first I was confused as to how Issac could just have feelings for Claire right away. But he still had all his memories, so his brain could have reprocessed all of his experiences with emotional context and possibly retroactively given him feelings for her.
Pun intended.
At first I was confused as to how Issac could just have feelings for Claire right away. But he still had all his memories, so his brain could have reprocessed all of his experiences with emotional context and possibly retroactively given him feelings for her.
Problem is even is every small change can have a ripple effect. What they don't bring up though is once in the past it is impossible to not change the future even if you go live in a cave, eating animals you catch. Even that would create a ripple effect changing everything. It's one of the reason why if time travel is every possible the idea of creating a divergent timeline that exists separate from the original is what likely would happen. The person stuck in time would just never be able to return to their universe so they might as well not worry about changing things. Just join that society and become part of it.
if the database had been altered so would their memories.
Talla and John isn't completely out of the blue. Aside from the scene in last week's episode, there was also some flirting between the two earlier in the season (when everyone was at the wild west saloon on the holodeck) and there were some scenes between them in season 2 which are open to interpretation.
Agreed, in fact that was my main beef with this episode. All the subplots could have been their own 45 minute episode and been handled satisfactorily. But combining all of them into a 75 minute episode just did not allow any of the storylines to breathe and none of them got any kind of satisfactory resolution.
This episode was probably a bit too long IMO. Having said that, the main plot with Claire and Isaac and learning about the Kaylon oppression and uprising was great. We got nice a character arc with Isaac, learning about relationships, exploring emotions but also with Charlie too. It was great to see her make progress with her resentment against Isaac.
Orville has been really enjoyable in season 3 - in part also because there are many callbacks/payoffs to earlier stories/characters and all.
It was kinda 2.5 episodes rolled into one. the female led society story wasn't bad, but could have been left out - didn't really add new things (unless there is a payoff down the line) + the other stories still would have worked.
Liked how they weaved in the Kaylon origin story (including the knowingly terrible suppression/enslavement > uprising).
Burke's "turnaround" regarding Isaac was a highlight for me.
Talla and John. I like them together, but it's so hilarious - spilled my drink when he spit out the 3 teeth - wonder if there is some tech they could use to help prevent injuries (force fields?) if they just would come clean to Claire/Isaac etc.
Also was waiting for Doctor Claire to find out
Claire / Isaac was well done on all accounts. Liked how Claire in the end didn't want Isaac to erase himself.
Also cool we get to see Isaac both sides of Isaac (robot suit / human actor) due some holographic tech.
Was that a hint of regret when Kelly told Claire about not asking Ed to "change for her"?
It was kinda 2.5 episodes rolled into one. the female led society story wasn't bad, but could have been left out - didn't really add new things (unless there is a payoff down the line) + the other stories still would have worked.
Liked how they weaved in the Kaylon origin story (including the knowingly terrible suppression/enslavement > uprising).
Burke's "turnaround" regarding Isaac was a highlight for me.
Talla and John. I like them together, but it's so hilarious - spilled my drink when he spit out the 3 teeth - wonder if there is some tech they could use to help prevent injuries (force fields?) if they just would come clean to Claire/Isaac etc.
Also was waiting for Doctor Claire to find out
Claire / Isaac was well done on all accounts. Liked how Claire in the end didn't want Isaac to erase himself.
Also cool we get to see Isaac both sides of Isaac (robot suit / human actor) due some holographic tech.
Was that a hint of regret when Kelly told Claire about not asking Ed to "change for her"?
One nice thing about including the side plot with the female led society is that it continues the overall season arc and the world-building about the geopolitics of the galaxy. The Union is facing this existential threat from the Kaylon and are at war with the Krill now. So we can see that the Union is negotiating with this backward society because they are desperate for allies. It is nice that the show does not drop these important story arcs when they do a standalone episode but continue to give us little hints as to what is going on. It is nice that we still get to see a bit about how the Union is dealing with the threat from the Kaylon and the Krill. And we can see that the Union is willing to ally with societies with completely opposite values and even disdainful values, if it helps them against the Kaylon.
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This was a very good episode. I loved all of the emotional punches, and have no problem saying I like seeing Mark Jackson out of the suit, because he is a snack.
The Kaylon rising up against their masters who had enslaved them brings a whole new light onto them. It doesn't absolve them of committing genocide against all biological life forms, but the fury behind it is certainly understandable, and overthrowing their masters was justification for some of what they ended up doing. I'm curious to see how, or if, they resolve this with the Kaylon. I don't know if that's in the cards, but it certainly adds a new element with Dr. Vilka and Timmis' work on opening up the possibility of empathy to the Kaylon, that they might know emotions. Of course, that could result in mass chaos, but I do wonder how it would play out.
All of that said, this may be my favorite episode of the season so far.
The Kaylon rising up against their masters who had enslaved them brings a whole new light onto them. It doesn't absolve them of committing genocide against all biological life forms, but the fury behind it is certainly understandable, and overthrowing their masters was justification for some of what they ended up doing. I'm curious to see how, or if, they resolve this with the Kaylon. I don't know if that's in the cards, but it certainly adds a new element with Dr. Vilka and Timmis' work on opening up the possibility of empathy to the Kaylon, that they might know emotions. Of course, that could result in mass chaos, but I do wonder how it would play out.
All of that said, this may be my favorite episode of the season so far.
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