Those are very interesting Pop-Up Phaser Turrets.
I never got to see those in detail, but everything was kinda zoomed out and super jump cutty in the "Battle of the Binary Stars"
The Original 1701 Design
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I never got to see those in detail, but everything was kinda zoomed out and super jump cutty in the "Battle of the Binary Stars"
Those turrets firing blue pulses don't look like they can get much elevation compared to the smaller turrets that fire red beams on the Kelvin. In wider shots there appears to be blue pulses that go more vertical but seems like a questionable design when seen in close-up.
Such a good looking ship. Love the Kelvin. Reminds me of my love for the Saladin class as a kid coming up with my own ships.Is the Kelvin herself really that big? I know the blu-ray special features put her at around 457m long, but unlike the 725m Enterprise, she never really came off as being that big.
Infact, both Eaglemoss and Moebius Models put her at about 315m, which looks rather good alongside the 442m Enterprise.
Considering that the Kelvin and a few of the Disco ships are they only ships we've seen with that "flat top" design, I'd say there's definitely intended to be a connection.
I'll through in another connection between the Disco designs and the Kelvin. A couple of the classes have that same very flat saucer look with the raised levels towards the center. It's very apparent on the Nimitz class:
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Kelvin is retired by ~2250?
Well..... it was originally intended that the Romulans were copying Starfleet designs....Looks more like the designer borrowed from the Romulan Bird of Prey.
Looks more like the designer borrowed from the Romulan Bird of Prey.
Now that similarity I can see. But again, it is most likely coincidence.
What is this reference?
Considering that the Kelvin and a few of the Disco ships are they only ships we've seen with that "flat top" design, I'd say there's definitely intended to be a connection.
I'll through in another connection between the Disco designs and the Kelvin. A couple of the classes have that same very flat saucer look with the raised levels towards the center. It's very apparent on the Nimitz class:
Where did this picture of the Kelvin come from?
I believe it's from an artist named JetFreak-7, over on DeviantArt.
https://www.deviantart.com/jetfreak-7
Thanks!
1980 Flash Gordon.
Jet Freak has a good gallery
https://www.deviantart.com/seekhim/art/Starfleet-Vessels-852653039
https://starbase400.org/
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The pop up turrets were what 1701-A needed with a wider saucer and Balson secondary hull.
For pre-TOS, the little stem we see on the lower sensor dome in the 11 footer needed to be the only energy weapon—it removed for TOS, as if the whole lower dome is an emitter now.
I thought the Shenzhou bridge was definitely inspired by the Kelvin. It looked to me like they took that aesthetic and evolved it.
Sad they ditched all the weird antennas but you can't have everything.
Sad they ditched all the weird antennas but you can't have everything.
When I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be a reference to the version of NCC-1701 as seen in The Cage, as opposed to the revised version used for Kirk-era TOS...
Even if the post-1979 Franchise has moved in certain ways design-wise, at least there is another universe - one where "Star Fleet" is two words - in which "saucer-and-nacelle" Federation ship designs hew more closely to Matt Jeffries' original design. Or, perhaps, to its "off-ramp" incarnation, as portrayed in the Star Fleet Technical Manual.
As it happens, the Constitution-class heavy cruiser is presented in a number of different ways on ADB's Shapeways storefront. There are separate listings for "standard" and "Franz Joseph" varieties of the Federation CA; each in turn has "classic" (with no panel lines on their saucers) and panel-lined variations on offer.
Although, "standard" in this context includes weapon mounts added by the various refits featured in games like Star Fleet Battles and Federation Commander, as opposed to the "unrefitted" CA which served in that universe's "Middle Years". (In the Y-calendar used for SFB, the "five-year mission" - the one which was heavily dramatized for tri-video - took place between Y154 and Y159, while the prior incident at Talos IV took place in Y142.)
Even if the post-1979 Franchise has moved in certain ways design-wise, at least there is another universe - one where "Star Fleet" is two words - in which "saucer-and-nacelle" Federation ship designs hew more closely to Matt Jeffries' original design. Or, perhaps, to its "off-ramp" incarnation, as portrayed in the Star Fleet Technical Manual.
As it happens, the Constitution-class heavy cruiser is presented in a number of different ways on ADB's Shapeways storefront. There are separate listings for "standard" and "Franz Joseph" varieties of the Federation CA; each in turn has "classic" (with no panel lines on their saucers) and panel-lined variations on offer.
Although, "standard" in this context includes weapon mounts added by the various refits featured in games like Star Fleet Battles and Federation Commander, as opposed to the "unrefitted" CA which served in that universe's "Middle Years". (In the Y-calendar used for SFB, the "five-year mission" - the one which was heavily dramatized for tri-video - took place between Y154 and Y159, while the prior incident at Talos IV took place in Y142.)
Considering that the Kelvin and a few of the Disco ships are they only ships we've seen with that "flat top" design, I'd say there's definitely intended to be a connection.
I'll through in another connection between the Disco designs and the Kelvin. A couple of the classes have that same very flat saucer look with the raised levels towards the center. It's very apparent on the Nimitz class:
It's a damn shame they didn't do more to emulate the look of the Kelvin for DSC tbh, instead of all that eyesore generic scifi junk we got saddled with.
Yeah, I would have enjoyed more of a "Kelvin-look" to the ships, but I imagine they wanted to differentiate the ships to avoid confusing the general audience who might think the series was set in the Kelvin timeline.
That, and I’m not entirely sure that CBS owned any of the Kelvin timeline designs. This was pre-merger, so it’s possible that CBS wasn’t allowed to use the Kelvin or her sister ships as they appeared in the Paramount-owned Abrams films. Not to mention that ILM reportedly lost the original CGI models.
Of course, there’s nothing stopping them now from making a new CGI model of the Kelvin for SNW.
