The Opening Of Star Trek 3

[Lord Garth FOI]

It should open up with the Enterprise and the badly damaged Constellation locked in a losing battle against the reimagined Doomsday Machine. This time around, though, the recently relieved of command Commodore Decker doesn't get a chance to steal a shuttlecraft ("Cupcake" stuns him with a phaser instead), leaving Kirk to figure out on his own how to beat the D-Machine.

Cupcake be dead

 

[CorporalClegg]

Maybe he's defrosting?

 

[C.E. Evans]

It should open up with the Enterprise and the badly damaged Constellation locked in a losing battle against the reimagined Doomsday Machine. This time around, though, the recently relieved of command Commodore Decker doesn't get a chance to steal a shuttlecraft ("Cupcake" stuns him with a phaser instead), leaving Kirk to figure out on his own how to beat the D-Machine.

Cupcake be dead

When be that happen?

 

[The Doctor]

I admit that Abrams and Orci know how to open a movie.

In hindsight, yes. Trek 2009 was to open with Spock's birth, not the space battle. And Trek 2013 was to open with the dying girl, not the volcano. They only know how to properly open a movie in the editing room.

Every filmmaker tweaks scene order for pacing reasons. That's what the editing process is for.

I get that you're on a mission from God to criticize the Abrams films but this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read in this forum.

That's an achievement, I guess.

 

[geneo]

How about opening the movie with young Kirk and older Kirk meeting each other in the Nexus having a discussion about young Kirk's future, after all, it is his "echo" that is still left in there just like it is for Guinan. Older Kirk telling younger Kirk not to let Starfleet get in the way of a happy home and to go marry Carol and make it work.

 

[BillJ]

How about opening the movie with young Kirk and older Kirk meeting each other in the Nexus having a discussion about young Kirk's future, after all, it is his "echo" that is still left in there just like it is for Guinan. Older Kirk telling younger Kirk not to let Starfleet get in the way of a happy home and to go marry Carol and make it work.

Zzzzzzzzzz...

 

[drumvan]

A lot of people have talked about how much they enjoyed the opening of STID (myself included)
And furthermore, now that they are on the 5 year mission would you like to see the opening be the tail end of a TOS mission we've already seen, so long as it just serves as an introduction to the film and isn't a remake of any kind?

For me personally that is the kind of fan service I can get into. A real nod that doesn't really effect plot, is fresh to a new audience, and can be a fun and exciting way to kick off a film (much like it did in STID).

that would be a neat idea. i like it. spock - "cross circuiting to b". kirk - "gentlemen, i suggest you beam me aboard"!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

How about opening the movie with young Kirk and older Kirk meeting each other in the Nexus

That won't work unless they are riding horses with Picard.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

It should open up with the Enterprise and the badly damaged Constellation locked in a losing battle against the reimagined Doomsday Machine. This time around, though, the recently relieved of command Commodore Decker doesn't get a chance to steal a shuttlecraft ("Cupcake" stuns him with a phaser instead), leaving Kirk to figure out on his own how to beat the D-Machine.

Cupcake be dead

Only in the novelization, where he was killed by a Klingon with a bat'leth. In the movie he's shown in the security detail escorting the captured Harrison aboard the Enterprise.

 

[C.E. Evans]

It should open up with the Enterprise and the badly damaged Constellation locked in a losing battle against the reimagined Doomsday Machine. This time around, though, the recently relieved of command Commodore Decker doesn't get a chance to steal a shuttlecraft ("Cupcake" stuns him with a phaser instead), leaving Kirk to figure out on his own how to beat the D-Machine.

Cupcake be dead

Only in the novelization, where he was killed by a Klingon with a bat'leth. In the movie he's shown in the security detail escorting the captured Harrison aboard the Enterprise.

Oh, Cupcake be not dead then.

 

[mattman8907]

i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.

 

[Set Harth]

That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.

 

[BillJ]

i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.

That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.

I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

Cupcake be schrodinger's cat.

 

[Agenda]

The Opening Of Star Trek 3

Spock is climbing a mountain, and falls. Kirk saves him! A testy Uhura meets them at the campsite, while Scotty and Bones become lost in the woods. Later they all sing a Beatles tune by the fire. Defenders of the film call it a brilliant inversion of the original. Everyone else calls it a surreal ripoff.

 

[JarodRussell]

An opening similar to Prometheus would be interesting. A wide shot with the Enterprise being extremely tiny, moving at extremely fast speed through the frame. Then a 10 minute steadicam shot moving through the ship, following the characters doing their routine jobs during the 5-year mission, ending with Kirk and Spock playing 3D chess in the lounge.

But that would be quality, and they don't do that in this timeline.

 

[bbailey861]

You can say that again.

 

[C.E. Evans]

i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.

That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.

I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.

It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").

 

[M'Sharak]

i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.

That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.

I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.

It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").

You're correct concerning the credits, but I think mattman8907 and Set Harth are also correct in saying the large redshirt behind Cumberbatch's left shoulder in the scene which has Khan being escorted by the security detail does not look like Jason Matthew Smith's Cupcake. Compare the image accompanying this article (different camera angle than the shot provided upthread) to Cupcake/Hendorff's appearance during the chase scene. They're not the same actor.

[Edit: the large redshirt in the security detail scene is probably this guy - looks like he played the large alien cadet in the last movie.]

 

[C.E. Evans]

I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.

It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").

You're correct concerning the credits, but I think mattman8907 and Set Harth are also correct in saying the large redshirt behind Cumberbatch's left shoulder in the scene which has Khan being escorted by the security detail does not look like Jason Matthew Smith's Cupcake. Compare the image accompanying this article (different camera angle than the shot provided upthread) to Cupcake/Hendorff's appearance during the chase scene. They're not the same actor.

[Edit: the large redshirt in the security detail scene is probably this guy - he played the large alien cadet in the last movie.]

Hmm, lighting does make a world of difference.