Beautifully, succinctly, refreshingly reassuring statement that there are still Trekkers out there with high standards. It's been pretty dismal the last couple of years having to read the accolades over that clownish video game bearing the name of our beloved series.
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Beautifully, succinctly, refreshingly reassuring statement that there are still Trekkers out there with high standards. It's been pretty dismal the last couple of years having to read the accolades over that clownish video game bearing the name of our beloved series.
I'll hold the door.
Its interesting to see what a debate I have started.
For the record, I also think that the Abrams reboot was truly awful.
In fact I dont think any of the Star Trek movies do the TV series` any justice.
A new TV reboot is what required in my humble opinion.
Original characters, with new morality ethics, and most importantly, better writing and state of the art visuals.
Whats not to like ?
For the record, I also think that the Abrams reboot was truly awful.
In fact I dont think any of the Star Trek movies do the TV series` any justice.
A new TV reboot is what required in my humble opinion.
Original characters, with new morality ethics, and most importantly, better writing and state of the art visuals.
Whats not to like ?
ST09 was a huge success as a summer popcorn flick, but it is not anywhere near achieving the cultural penetration that TOS and TNG did. When people today think of Kirk, they think William Shatner, not Chris Pine. And when people in 50 years think of Kirk, they will still think of William Shatner.
The JJ Abrams films will run their course, and will each be a huge blockbuster success. Then they will fade from memory and something else will come along in the Trek universe and totally ignore them.
And mark my words, some day, they will go back to the "prime" timeline.
Sorry for the double-post, but...
And, BTW, I am so sick and tired of this "dark and gritty" crap. Not every damn thing produced has to be "dark and gritty." It's time for Hollywood to get over itself with this latest rage and move on to some variety in filmed entertainment.
And, BTW, I am so sick and tired of this "dark and gritty" crap. Not every damn thing produced has to be "dark and gritty." It's time for Hollywood to get over itself with this latest rage and move on to some variety in filmed entertainment.
Trek has to get ultra specific about it's premise and concept just like any series. It has to be about something unique just like a serialized movie. The third season of ENT actually had a pretty good concept but as usual with Braga it wasn't developed enough. If Menosky had been there it would have been much better as he would have challenged Braga more and expanded the idea to include Romulans and the development of the Federation because Menosky had integrity and was thoughtful and not just a glory seeking, clever, money grabber who used the series like a prostitute. Menosky even means 'less' in Latin, which is what Star Trek needed, as in cooks.
I really don't understand the mindset here about Star Trek 2009 and I'm lukewarm to the film at best. They have to make films that are going to get general movie-goers to buy tickets, nothing more or less. It is mass-market Star Trek, designed to appeal to the widest cross-section of ticket buyers it possibly can. The days of people paying to see films like Star Trek: The Motion Picture are over, hell you can't even get CBS to pay to re-render the effects of the Director's Edition so it can be released on Blu-ray.
I'd probably be higher on the film myself if it wasn't for the dreadful Starfleet Academy sequences and a couple other odds and ends that I find 'off'.
For me, I always figured that my affection for the Abrams-verse would be dictated by the second film. It's the one that won't have the issues from the writer's strike permeating it and it should be a much smoother experience now that they have one film under their collective belts. Then again, it could be a train-wreck... see Transformers 2.
YMMV.
There is no "they", and secondly there will be no return to the Prime Timeline, even the fans got sick of most of it after nearly 20 straight years of mediocre television and poor cinema.
Didn't you see all the battles and deaths in it? They never had those in TOS!
"Humor, it is a difficult concept. It is not logical."
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"Oh, relax Cupcake, it was a joke."
No worries, I thought for a moment you were being serious about it. But the point remains, TOS as a series had plenty of death, angst, tension and so on, if anything the film had a lighter air to it and used humour rather effectively to keep it from being too dark.
I didn't always enjoy nBSG because of it myself, it got too morose towards the end, but NuTrek hasn't and won't go that way. So I don't get the fretting about it going all "gritty".
I didn't always enjoy nBSG because of it myself, it got too morose towards the end, but NuTrek hasn't and won't go that way. So I don't get the fretting about it going all "gritty".
Is a reboot of the Original Series.
A recasting of the Kirk crew and a reintroduction to some of the old foes encountered in the 5 year mission.
Also a tie in to Enterprise, by encountering some Archer enemies, eg Suliban.
Thats my humble opinion, imagine Kirk with enhanced visual effects at his disposal
That ship has already sailed. They won't use TOS characters while there are movies to be made. The argument will be, "Why should I pay to see Kirk and Spock in new adventures on the big screen, when I can watch them for free every week on TV?"
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This is him being polite, believe me.
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I can remember when TNG first came out. I and a group of Trek fans watched the first few episodes and were really excited to have Trek back again...new episodes! At first, we all sat around and looked at each other thinking
WTF! A balding French captain with an English accent, a first officer who looks like he's got a constant crook in his neck, some over-coiffed airhead whose role was not clear and who talked way too much about her feelings, an angry lesbian, a Klingon with a really bad hair-do (not scary at all), C3P0 with a hair, the guy from Reading Rainbow, and a doctor who was kind of sexy and definitely nothing like Bones (and her little brat who made Charlie X look suave). This was the opinion of many (not all) Trek fans. A lot of people were pissed off about this nuTrek and many to this day refuse to acknowledge it, while others have accepted it with open arms.
I see no difference in the discussion taking place now with regard to JJ's movie. Some have accepted it, some may accept it with time, others will never.
Personally, I hope JJ makes 20 TOS movies and maybe even a TOS TV show. The actors were thoughtfully cast and they did a fine job of capturing the essence of the characters. The alternate timeline was necessary to open a path for new and original stories while thankfully honoring that there is an original timeline.
If JJ's vision doesn't "feel" like TOS, it is because re-canning the original series completely would make it a cheap imitation. Since 2009, I have seen large numbers of young people get turned onto the original TOS thanks to JJ's flick, which means there will be future fans to carry on the torch.
Personally, I would flush TNG, DS9, and VOY down the toilet as horrible rehashings of TOS before I would say a bad word about JJ's flick.
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