The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Quinton O'Connor]

Yeah, I want those sales figures as high as possible. The potential for good with this investment outweighs the shameful audio issue 100% for me.

And hot diggity damn, this show looks as good as my toddler brain perceived way back when all I knew was their names and their quirks.

 

[Paranoid Android]

So just for clarification, people with 2.0 audio don't need to be too concerned about the audio issues?

 

[BillJ]

So just for clarification, people with 2.0 audio don't need to be too concerned about the audio issues?

They're not as numerous nor as glaring as the 7.1 mix.

 

[JarodRussell]

So just for clarification, people with 2.0 audio don't need to be too concerned about the audio issues?

Knowing the Internet, the audio issues are probably very minor. Like people complaining about supposedly horrible graphics and intolerable lag in new computer games.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

The original post about pirating episodes and all replies containing the original have been deleted. Pirating shows IS theft in the legal sense and is against the law in the civilized world. This board survives at the tolerance of Paramount and we don't need to be pulling the tail of the tiger.

 

[Scotty]

So just for clarification, people with 2.0 audio don't need to be too concerned about the audio issues?

Knowing the Internet, the audio issues are probably very minor. Like people complaining about supposedly horrible graphics and intolerable lag in new computer games.

The issues aren't minor, but thanks for your input.

Just watched The Naked Now. Picture and sound are fantastic and I especially loved the new Tsiolkovsky explosion. I loved the old explosion and never like the CGI ones on Voy and Ent but this one was sublime.

 

[Admiral Bear]

Update on the Digital Bits:

Okay, just a quick update re: CBS's Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season One Blu-ray set. There is a confirmed audio issue that affects 7 episodes in the set - Encounter at Farpoint, Hide and Q, The Big Goodbye, Datalore, 11001001 and Too Short a Season. (Naturally, none of the episodes I watched prior to my review!) The impact is that in the DTS 7.1 mixes for these episodes, character dialogue that should normally be in the center channel is also mixed into the front left and right channels. The other episodes are unaffected. However, there's a secondary audio issue being reported as well in which the PCM audio for some of the extra features on Disc One and Disc Six plays out of sync on at least some models of Blu-ray player. CBS has begun investigating both issues. As soon as we get some kind of official word from them as to what they find to be the cause and how they're going to fix the problems, we'll let you all know.

 

[Warped Trekker]

So just for clarification, people with 2.0 audio don't need to be too concerned about the audio issues?

Knowing the Internet, the audio issues are probably very minor. Like people complaining about supposedly horrible graphics and intolerable lag in new computer games.

Unfortunately the audio issues are not minor. I have a good highend 5.1 setup, Paradigm speakers, Oppo BDP-93 blu-ray player, Onkyo 807 receiver, etc. The audio skips on some episodes, and the dialogue coming out of anything but the center channel is just plain wrong. The tinny sound on some episodes is wrong too.

Perhaps the audio engineer needs to buy some hearing aids? After 25 years of waiting for a good release, they still made very obvious errors. These are so obvious, its amazing they werent caught before the discs went to the press. Also the matte paintings look two-dimensional compared to the original ships. I can't believe they didnt wait until they could find the original film clips, and instead had someone "paint" a static frame.

 

[indianatrekker26]

i haven't even noticed these issues, episodes sound just fine to me. But again i'm not a big audio nut. i'm definitely happy with the release. But then i'm not running some huge surround sound system. just the speakers coming out of the 40 inch tv.

 

[ATimson]

Also the matte paintings look two-dimensional compared to the original ships. I can't believe they didnt wait until they could find the original film clips, and instead had someone "paint" a static frame.

If you're talking about the shot from "Farpoint" where the Enterprise uses its energy beam on the creature below (reused in "Code of Honor" and others), it was just as bad in the original. (If only they'd changed the background to be static instead of moving stars...)

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I watched EaF and like others, listening in Stereo mode is the only way to get decent sound quality.

I also noticed what I think is very, very minor AV mis-sync in the dialogue.

Also, should I be capable of seeing EaF in 16:9 or only 4:3? Normally it automatically shows widescreen as widescreen, without any fiddling by me.

 

[Sho]

^ All episodes of TNG are 4:3.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ OK, so not even filmed wide, then cropped?

Another thing. I wonder why, when they redid the FX, they did not make the planet larger compared to the Enterprise.

They even did that in the TOS-R I believe.

 

[Sho]

They did "film it wide" in the sense that there is more area on the film negative than in the final master, but those areas are often filled with things like filming equipment or the set just runs out, so there's no way to re-frame it without cutting off a lot of the image because you usually can't just go wider. Plus, the shots were definitely composed for the 4:3 ratio.

With regard to your second question, the intention/mandate on TNG-R was to stay very true to the original and only very rarely make minor changes, and especially no changes that would make the sequences feel differently.

 

[Trekker4747]

I sort of wish the framing wasn't matted to 4:3. With my DVDs I can use the stretch/fill options on my TV without too much bothering the look of the picture. But with the matte on the BD neither of these options really work so the stretch options on my TV do create a notable distortion to the picture. I've no problem, really, watching it with the black mattes in place but it's just... "One of those things.

 

[Snaploud]

Another thing. I wonder why, when they redid the FX, they did not make the planet larger compared to the Enterprise.

They even did that in the TOS-R I believe.

I haven't seen the episode lately, but I would point out that the perception of size is relative to distance. A visually-smaller planet could just meas you're farther away. There's no reason to assume the Enterprise has to park at any particular distance.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Another thing. I wonder why, when they redid the FX, they did not make the planet larger compared to the Enterprise.

They even did that in the TOS-R I believe.

I haven't seen the episode lately, but I would point out that the perception of size is relative to distance. A visually-smaller planet could just meas you're farther away. There's no reason to assume the Enterprise has to park at any particular distance.

In later seasons of TNG, they always made the planet large in comparison to the orbiting ship (more realistic looking).

Early seasons did the same thing as original TOS, with the ship in the foreground and a small looking planet behind with the ship going from one side of the screen to the other.

I had hoped they would redo that in these early TNG episodes so there would be that consistency throughout the series.

It's not any kind of detraction from the episode, but like I said earlier, it was something I'd hoped would happen along with other FX redos.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Another thing. I wonder why, when they redid the FX, they did not make the planet larger compared to the Enterprise.

They even did that in the TOS-R I believe.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25N-4zrk390[/yt]

Father Ted: Now concentrate this time, Dougal. These
[he points to some plastic cows on the table]
Father Ted: are very small; those
[pointing at some cows out of the window]
Father Ted: are far away...

 

[Trekker4747]

Put in the next disc with 11010010 (or whatever) on it. Selected "English" for the language (Dammit! I hate this!) and when I hit play the sound, again, was a mono-sort of sound. Pressing the "Audio" button my remote switched it to "2. English" which brought the sound to something more normal. This does seem to be a bit of an issue, possibly mostly with the 7.1 channel. I think I can "live" with it though it'd be annoying to switch to a different "language"/audio to listen to this properly. I'm not likely to ever have a 7.1 set-up or to listen to TNG in it, but still it'd be nice to not have to manipulate the audio of the player/disc to hear it correctly. Hope to see what happens for this to be corrected down the road.

 

[Snaploud]

Another thing. I wonder why, when they redid the FX, they did not make the planet larger compared to the Enterprise.

They even did that in the TOS-R I believe.

I haven't seen the episode lately, but I would point out that the perception of size is relative to distance. A visually-smaller planet could just meas you're farther away. There's no reason to assume the Enterprise has to park at any particular distance.

In later seasons of TNG, they always made the planet large in comparison to the orbiting ship (more realistic looking).

Early seasons did the same thing as original TOS, with the ship in the foreground and a small looking planet behind with the ship going from one side of the screen to the other.

I had hoped they would redo that in these early TNG episodes so there would be that consistency throughout the series.

It's not any kind of detraction from the episode, but like I said earlier, it was something I'd hoped would happen along with other FX redos.

There's nothing unrealistic about the planet looking small. It just means the ship is far away from the planet.

You seem to be under the assumption that the ship is always orbiting at the exact same (relatively close) distance from any given planet.