The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
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I loved it.
fantastic review! very, very close to how I feel. I am definitely going to see it again... for the fifth time
PS. I loved what you wrote about the humor. I love that scene between them. "Unbelievable!" -- Urban was so McCoy in that moment it's just eerie!! I had shivers going up my spine the second he said that word in that special "McCoy" way. somewhere, somehow, I know Dee Kelley is rocking back on his toes and smiling.
What I really liked about the no reset button thing is that it allows Pine and Quinto to make their own, totally unique Spock and Kirk's. From the moment Kirk's dad died he became a different person from Shatner's Kirk and thus Pine is playing a totally different character. He can create something new without having to constantly have his performance compared to Shatner. Same with Spock. His mom and planet died. He's not the same guy that Leonard Nimoy played and thus Quinto is free to do whatever he wants in subsequent productions.
Superflous scenes??? This movie was FULL of them. Most noteable would probably be the completely pointless giant monsters on Delta Vega! I could have dealt with 1, but what was the poitn of 2? Other than to say "look, we have cool CGI and our monsters can fight!!!11!!1" But I agree about the comedy. It was surprisingly non-intrusive, for the most part. The only one that really really got to me was Chekov's accent. That was painful to listen to.
I would recommend contacting one of the moderators directly with that. It's frowned upon here at TrekBBS to bring such issues up in other threads. If the mod doesn't respond there's another section of the forum specifically dedicated to complaints.
ST-One
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Well, that's the one reason.
The other one is that the one monster chased Kirk into that cave were Spock was.
Why? Because it was a bit more realistic than Koenig's accent?
Then I would suggest they boot me and delete my posts, because I don't respond well to overactive authority...
BTW, there is no way to contact anyone, because PM is disabled, as are most bbs functions on this site. Just FYI.
-Ranthony
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The TrekBBS is not a blog. There are rules to follow as indicated in the FAQ section. They're there for a reason: to be read by everyone.
And if you don't respond that well to overactive authority, well, hum, you could still, I dunno, take a temporary break from the BBS.
It's one thing to dislike a movie. It's another to keep coming back, rambling on and on and on and on ad vitam eternam about how much teh muvi is teh suxxorr!1!
As of right now, there are 488 posters who found the movie "excellent" and 144 who found it "above average". Out of 750. Which represents a large majority. And yet you keep coming back dissing something these people enjoyed. It's like having a garden party, where a lot of people are enjoying themselves and you (it's an inclusive "you") keep coming pissing in the punch bowl... There are some members who have articulated their views regarding the execution of the movie in a more civilized manner. You and your clique are fucking annoying.
Way to go for pissing me off.
And if you don't respond that well to overactive authority, well, hum, you could still, I dunno, take a temporary break from the BBS.
It's one thing to dislike a movie. It's another to keep coming back, rambling on and on and on and on ad vitam eternam about how much teh muvi is teh suxxorr!1!
As of right now, there are 488 posters who found the movie "excellent" and 144 who found it "above average". Out of 750. Which represents a large majority. And yet you keep coming back dissing something these people enjoyed. It's like having a garden party, where a lot of people are enjoying themselves and you (it's an inclusive "you") keep coming pissing in the punch bowl... There are some members who have articulated their views regarding the execution of the movie in a more civilized manner. You and your clique are fucking annoying.
Way to go for pissing me off.
Star Trek, 1966-2009, R.I.P.
For the record, I should have stuck to my guns. But I didn't. I caught J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (from here on out to be known as Abramstrek, for brevity's sake) a few days back. By the time it was over, I knew that the universe had changed.
Abrams said he was creating a film that was entertaining, and true to his word, it is. From the initial scenes of the massive Romulan ship appearing and spawning an alternate timeline (this is not a spoiler, this happens two minutes into the film. Spoilers ahead though, be warned) when it engages in a fierce battle with a clearly more archaic Federation vessel, to the final scenes with a triumphant Captain James T. Kirk at the helm of his (way too shiny) Enterprise, this blockbuster is most definitely entertaining.
It's just not Star Trek.
For the record, I should have stuck to my guns. But I didn't. I caught J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (from here on out to be known as Abramstrek, for brevity's sake) a few days back. By the time it was over, I knew that the universe had changed.
Abrams said he was creating a film that was entertaining, and true to his word, it is. From the initial scenes of the massive Romulan ship appearing and spawning an alternate timeline (this is not a spoiler, this happens two minutes into the film. Spoilers ahead though, be warned) when it engages in a fierce battle with a clearly more archaic Federation vessel, to the final scenes with a triumphant Captain James T. Kirk at the helm of his (way too shiny) Enterprise, this blockbuster is most definitely entertaining.
It's just not Star Trek.
You know, I don't like your attitude, but I think you're absolutely right. Very enjoyable movie, but it lacked the depth of meaning or any relevant cultural and/or moral message to make it a proper Star Trek movie. Hell, I would have been happy if they had written an actual character for a bad guy and had some actual meaningful interaction between him and Kirk/Spock.
Ultimately, I think it has such a high approval rating right now because everyone is just excited that Star Trek is back and it's not totally boring. That goes for old fans, as well as new. I'm betting that in 5-10 years when space CGI that good becomes the norm, and there are other Star Trek movies (hopefully with more substantial plot) this will be looked back upon as merely average or above average.
Now I just need to remember to repost this in 2014 if it turns out I'm right.
Truthfully? No. I wanted the full entry to show, and I was prepared to take the heat for it. I believe in honest discussion, and have survived trial by fire in the past.
This quiet reshuffling of discussion is why I have left BBS' in the past. I mean, of what use is this thread, at all?
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=2956475#post2956475
Might as well not be here.
-RAnthony
you can leave now, as well.
look, the problem is not you. the problem is that we're being inundated with angry posters who all want to be heard in separate threads. it's the sheer numbers and, frankly, we're tired of it. this movie has plenty flaws. but it's got a lot of heart and a sturdy pair of legs. it's running, fast and furious.
I want this movie to succeed and it looks like it will, thanks be to the box office gods.
I'm now looking forward to a better movie in 2 years. that's really all that is left to say.
look, the problem is not you. the problem is that we're being inundated with angry posters who all want to be heard in separate threads. it's the sheer numbers and, frankly, we're tired of it. this movie has plenty flaws. but it's got a lot of heart and a sturdy pair of legs. it's running, fast and furious.
I want this movie to succeed and it looks like it will, thanks be to the box office gods.
I'm now looking forward to a better movie in 2 years. that's really all that is left to say.
(why does this punch taste like piss?)
My take...
Just saw it. My thoughts...
This wasn’t Star Trek Begins, Star Trek Royale, or Star Trek Galactica. Thank god. It would have been so easy to just make it dark, gritty, and violent in an attempt to gain credibility. This is what I feared would happen as soon as I heard it was being ‘rebooted’ and JJ was at the helm. That first teaser trailer had ‘dark, gritty, and violent’ written all over it. But it wasn’t.
The other way I feared it would go would be in a Star Trek: Episode One or Star Trek: The Kingdom of the Crystal Kligon direction. An ill thought out special effects bonanza with no soul, character, or magic. And thank god it wasn’t that either.
What it was, was a masterfully executed character driven adventure. The likes of which I have not seen in a long time. The sense I got when I saw it was the same sense I remember having when I was a kid (not quite the same as watching star trek though). It reminded me more of the original Indiana Jones films, or the first Star Wars films. It had a sense of heart, magic, and adventure that I’ve not seen in blockbuster popcorn movies for a while. The whole thing was driven by the characters and the relationships between them, to top this off the production values were exceptional, the editing, music, sets, camera work, and special effects were a huge step above anything in previous incarnations of star trek. Everything oozed a solidity and sense of reality that was missing in the latest Star Wars films. It really was a great achievement. And surpassed so many other attempts to ‘bring back old favourites’.
I’m not claiming it’s better than the new Bond or Batman films, these were both excellent in their own right. But both of these films were complete reboots, a million miles away from what came before. Star Trek does something these do not, it takes an old formula and makes it new without any massive paradigm genre shifts. It does what the new Indiana Jones and Star Wars failed to do.
Saying all that I do have a few reservations though.
First, there was no moral conundrum, no interesting sci-fi slant. For example in previous incarnations we’ve seen interesting questions raised about what makes a life a life, nature verses nurture, how far can you go to the detriment of the few to benefit the many, are humans the only ‘intelligent’ life on this planet, etc. But there was nothing like this here. The closest we got was Spock’s inner battle regarding his heritage and some nonsense about how it was their ‘destiny’ to be there.
Second, Checkov and Scotty’s little friend were both completely ridiculous and fell flat as far as comedy is concerned. They were both the ‘Jar Jars’ of the film. But thankfully their screen time was kept to a minimum.
Thrid, The plot was pretty hollow and had lots of holes, but then what Star Trek (or any other blockbuster for that matter) doesn’t? The bad guy was just an angry Romulan. There wasn’t much else to him. I think this is down to editing mostly. Obviously they wanted to keep the film to less than two hours so I’m guessing a lot of his stuff ended up on the cutting room floor. This is often the case with reboots though. The bad guys are never that great because the focus is on how the main characters came to ‘be’ rather than the overarching plot. Perhaps there will be an 'extended edition' to flesh him out a little?
Finally, the engineering scenes were shot in a brewery, and guess what? It looked just like a brewery. It didn't even look like the engine room in a big boat let alone a space ship.
So, in conclusion a great film, better than any previous start trek film on many levels, but lacking slightly in others.
I’m hoping the inevitable sequel will be just as good as this maybe introduce a slightly more intelligent/thoughtful plot and a better bad guy. If they can do that then hopefully this film will what Batman Begins is to The Dark Knight. A great set up to an amazing follow up.
Just saw it. My thoughts...
This wasn’t Star Trek Begins, Star Trek Royale, or Star Trek Galactica. Thank god. It would have been so easy to just make it dark, gritty, and violent in an attempt to gain credibility. This is what I feared would happen as soon as I heard it was being ‘rebooted’ and JJ was at the helm. That first teaser trailer had ‘dark, gritty, and violent’ written all over it. But it wasn’t.
The other way I feared it would go would be in a Star Trek: Episode One or Star Trek: The Kingdom of the Crystal Kligon direction. An ill thought out special effects bonanza with no soul, character, or magic. And thank god it wasn’t that either.
What it was, was a masterfully executed character driven adventure. The likes of which I have not seen in a long time. The sense I got when I saw it was the same sense I remember having when I was a kid (not quite the same as watching star trek though). It reminded me more of the original Indiana Jones films, or the first Star Wars films. It had a sense of heart, magic, and adventure that I’ve not seen in blockbuster popcorn movies for a while. The whole thing was driven by the characters and the relationships between them, to top this off the production values were exceptional, the editing, music, sets, camera work, and special effects were a huge step above anything in previous incarnations of star trek. Everything oozed a solidity and sense of reality that was missing in the latest Star Wars films. It really was a great achievement. And surpassed so many other attempts to ‘bring back old favourites’.
I’m not claiming it’s better than the new Bond or Batman films, these were both excellent in their own right. But both of these films were complete reboots, a million miles away from what came before. Star Trek does something these do not, it takes an old formula and makes it new without any massive paradigm genre shifts. It does what the new Indiana Jones and Star Wars failed to do.
Saying all that I do have a few reservations though.
First, there was no moral conundrum, no interesting sci-fi slant. For example in previous incarnations we’ve seen interesting questions raised about what makes a life a life, nature verses nurture, how far can you go to the detriment of the few to benefit the many, are humans the only ‘intelligent’ life on this planet, etc. But there was nothing like this here. The closest we got was Spock’s inner battle regarding his heritage and some nonsense about how it was their ‘destiny’ to be there.
Second, Checkov and Scotty’s little friend were both completely ridiculous and fell flat as far as comedy is concerned. They were both the ‘Jar Jars’ of the film. But thankfully their screen time was kept to a minimum.
Thrid, The plot was pretty hollow and had lots of holes, but then what Star Trek (or any other blockbuster for that matter) doesn’t? The bad guy was just an angry Romulan. There wasn’t much else to him. I think this is down to editing mostly. Obviously they wanted to keep the film to less than two hours so I’m guessing a lot of his stuff ended up on the cutting room floor. This is often the case with reboots though. The bad guys are never that great because the focus is on how the main characters came to ‘be’ rather than the overarching plot. Perhaps there will be an 'extended edition' to flesh him out a little?
Finally, the engineering scenes were shot in a brewery, and guess what? It looked just like a brewery. It didn't even look like the engine room in a big boat let alone a space ship.
So, in conclusion a great film, better than any previous start trek film on many levels, but lacking slightly in others.
I’m hoping the inevitable sequel will be just as good as this maybe introduce a slightly more intelligent/thoughtful plot and a better bad guy. If they can do that then hopefully this film will what Batman Begins is to The Dark Knight. A great set up to an amazing follow up.
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