The official promo...explain the credits order to me

[cardinal biggles]

It's all about what your agent can get you. And frankly, compared to everyone else on that cast list with the exception of maybe Winona Ryder, Bana is the biggest name. Of course, Nimoy being Nimoy, he gets the place of honor at the end, so Bana gets the next best spot other than being listed at the front.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

It's all about what your agent can get you. And frankly, compared to everyone else on that cast list with the exception of maybe Winona Ryder, Bana is the biggest name. Of course, Nimoy being Nimoy, he gets the place of honor at the end, so Bana gets the next best spot other than being listed at the front.

Not only that, but -- from the studio's perspective -- it makes sense to give him that position because it no doubt gives the subtle impression to people who notice such things that he must be a big star in order to deserve that position, and therefore, "Good job TPTB in getting such a big star."

Often, I'll be watching a movie or television show and see "And Featuring Joe Blow." I'll scratch my head and say, "Is Joe Blow really that big of a star? I guess somebody must think he is. Maybe I missed some of his movies where he was really amazing. Wow, I'm in for a real treat since I'm about to enjoy a performance by Joe Blow, a guy who is obviously more amazing than uninformed me ever gave him credit for."

 

[Sci]

Well, I assumed Mulgrew's appearance wasn't considered a surprise or they wouldn't have listed her. You're certainly welcome to hate what they did in First Contact and Voyager, but that still does change their intent with Picardo's cameo. Honestly, while Voyager isn't my favorite series, I still enjoyed the EMH's unexpected experience and it seemed to get a great reaction in the audience I saw it with.

Actually, that's how I saw it too. People generally LIKED Picardo's character... and Russ's character... most of the rest were just sort of "casual interest" characters, but the two leads were pretty much disliked by most people I know.

As for why Jeri Ryan turned it down... I'd never heard that bit, but if true, it does fit. That's about the same time that her husband was being forced out of the Senate race through the illegal revelation of his and Jeri's divorce records (clearing the way for Obama to "sweep in and save the day"). I was a big fan of Jack Ryan and planned to vote for the guy... and honestly, the fact that the guy had a few "kinks" to share with HIS WIFE was hardly something that I'd have considered a reason not to vote for him!

Erm, no. Jack Ryan's divorce records were divulged (by a judge, upon petition from the Chicago newsmedia) in 2004, the same year George W. Bush was re-elected to the presidency and Senator Obama elected to the US Senate. Star Trek: Nemesis was released in late 2002, meaning that it was produced earlier that year and in late 2001.

In short, Jeri Ryan turning down the cameo in NEM had nothing whatsoever to do with the 2004 election.

 

[Good Will Riker]

I don't get it.

They list Sulu and Sarek first? Then Pike and Scotty? The rest doesn't make any sense either.

Explain this to me.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER 43 YEARS, A KOREAN MAN IS FINALLY GOING TO GET TOP BILLING IN A STAR TREK FILM.

GO, HAROLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

 

[Therin of Andor]

kinda like Persis Khambatta). But, unless it is a kid actor, you really don't see those "introducing" credits for new-comer adults.

Persis received "Presenting..." not "Introducing..." - because she'd already made her feature film debut (in Indian films). So she was being "presented" to Hollywood and the world.

"Introducing..." is for actors (ie. the two actresses plaing Saavik) making a feature film debut in a significant role.

 

[Skywalker]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER 43 YEARS, A KOREAN MAN IS FINALLY GOING TO GET TOP BILLING IN A STAR TREK FILM.

GO, HAROLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

You do realize the cast (aside from Bana and Nimoy) are in alphabetical order, right? That's not top billing.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'm guessing that "presenting" and "introducing" can be used interchangeably, but that is only a guess.

No, as I explained earlier, Persis had already been in some feature films in India. So she was "presented" in TMP because it was her first Hollywood film. ie. she'd already been "introduced" to cinema audiences. Press releases of the day mentioned the difference.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'm still trying to figure out why Eric Bana gets special credit... I didn't really think he was that famous...

Bana has had a string of prominent roles in films that have either done big box office or brought him accolades. His US agent is obviously clever enough to negotiate him an excellent credit on ST XI, which also highlights his villain character.

And he's not competing with Robert Downey Jr or Edward Norton for a credit in ST XI.

 

[Good Will Riker]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER 43 YEARS, A KOREAN MAN IS FINALLY GOING TO GET TOP BILLING IN A STAR TREK FILM.

GO, HAROLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

You do realize the cast (aside from Bana and Nimoy) are in alphabetical order, right? That's not top billing.

The names are in alphabetical order, so that counts as top billing.

Case in point:

When the cast names were in alphabetical order for Ocean's Eleven (2001), Don Cheadle chose to go uncredited so that George Clooney's name would appear first on the roster.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER 43 YEARS, A KOREAN MAN IS FINALLY GOING TO GET TOP BILLING IN A STAR TREK FILM.

GO, HAROLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

You do realize the cast (aside from Bana and Nimoy) are in alphabetical order, right? That's not top billing.

The names are in alphabetical order, so that counts as top billing.

Case in point:

When the cast names were in alphabetical order for Ocean's Eleven (2001), Don Cheadle chose to go uncredited so that George Clooney's name would appear first on the roster.

Well, that purports to prove something, but ultimately accomplishes in proving nothing.

 

[cardinal biggles]

The names are in alphabetical order, so that counts as top billing.

Case in point:

When the cast names were in alphabetical order for Ocean's Eleven (2001), Don Cheadle chose to go uncredited so that George Clooney's name would appear first on the roster.

That would be the same Ocean's Eleven that included the credit "and introducing Julia Roberts as Tess," right? Stellar example. :thumbsup: