The official promo...explain the credits order to me
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The have good agents. 
No. No. No. That's what they want you to think. The movie is really about an untold adventure about Sulu and Serek and their wacky adventures where they continually distress a disgruntled, yet golden-hearted Capt. Pike.
You heard it here first, folks.
Alphabetical except for Bana and Nimoy, who hold "Special Guest Star" status.
A special tradition where the actors playing pivotal roles are mentioned last... It can also be a seniority position too.
God only knows why Kate Mulgrew occuppied that place in Nemesis. Consolation prize because she's never likely to front a Voyager movie, I guess.
A special tradition where the actors playing pivotal roles are mentioned last... It can also be a seniority position too.
God only knows why Kate Mulgrew occuppied that place in Nemesis. Consolation prize because she's never likely to front a Voyager movie, I guess.
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Or...as you mentioned, as Special Guest Star status. Like her or not, but Mulgrew, in terms of Trek, would qualify for "Special Guest Star."
^ Oh, I'm not jumping on a Janeway bashing bandwagon. Tom Hardy wasn't well known enough to occupy that "and.... as Shinzon" position... and the better known, Ron Perlman was just playing a henchman. It just seemed odd having a 1 minute cameo there in the roll call. She undoubtedly had a better agent than former crossovers like Bob Picardo and Michael Dorn.
Interestingly, George Takei managed to get himself an "and" for both TFF and TUC.
Yup. There was nothing Janeway about her lines,; it could've been any admiral. I always wished it would've been Adm. Jellico.
Didn't Jonathan Harris of Lost in Space come up with that term first? Is he responsible for all those since or was his a variation on "with" and "ands" before him?
My guess with Tom Hardy was that since this was his first big film, his special title might have been given to him for two reasons:
1) He was just as much as a lead as Picard, but contracts couldn't put him before the rest of the crew (kinda like Ricardo Montalban).
2) Or since it was his first big film, his credit could have been like a "And Introducing" credit (kinda like Persis Khambatta). But, unless it is a kid actor, you really don't see those "introducing" credits for new-comer adults.
Dorn in Trek 6, my guess, was probably because of a different production crew. Plus, Trek wasn't as massive as it would become by the time of Nemesis. Perhaps that was a factor. Picardo...Dunno, although it would seem odd if he did get a special credit. Don't know why. Perhaps the producers wanted to avoid it to really highlight First Contact at TNG's first solo movie.
My guess on why Mulgrew got the special credit was because she was the lead in another series. I would expect that if Brooks or Backula would get the same.
This was the first Trek film to be done "titles only," so there's a difference here. For them to list Picardo in the opening credits of FC would ruin the surprise.
As for Dorn, I assume you're referring to his appearance as Col. Worf in TUC; they had so many actors front-loaded into the opening credits for that movie... and even, then, Christopher Plummer (who did get an and for Chang) marks the divider between the "first-tier guest stars" (Lenard, Warner, Cattrall, DeSoto, and Plummer) and the "second-tier guest stars" (everyone else).
Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis both had "introducting" credits on TWOK and TSFS. Hardy had already been in Black Hawk Down the year before, so he wouldn't have merited an "introducing" credit anyway.
As opposed to Mulgrew's which wasn't supposed to be a surprise? Honestly, I was surprised (okay, SHOCKED AND APPALLED) to see her in the film. It was such a blatant, POINTLESS "bone" to toss out... "Voyager Fanwank" basically. The problem was that the folks doing the movie, having just completed Voyager, held the series in far higher regard than the AUDIENCE did.
Which, when you think about it, is really what was wrong with Trek in its later years... the production staff making the show for THEMSELVES rather than for the audience.
Yeah, but we're comparing apples and oranges here, Cary. First Contact was a film with opening credits, Nemesis had title-only opening credits. So when they're running the end credits, does it really matter that Mulgrew's agent managed to get her an "...as Admiral Kathryn Janeway" credit, since it's not a surprise anymore?
This is a totally separate issue from whether she should have been in the film; we're in agreement that her cameo was awful and out-of-place. But your dislike of her and Voyager aside, is there any reason she shouldn't be listed prominently in the end credits if her agent was shrewd enough and Paramount was agreeable?
This is a totally separate issue from whether she should have been in the film; we're in agreement that her cameo was awful and out-of-place. But your dislike of her and Voyager aside, is there any reason she shouldn't be listed prominently in the end credits if her agent was shrewd enough and Paramount was agreeable?
Well, I assumed Mulgrew's appearance wasn't considered a surprise or they wouldn't have listed her. You're certainly welcome to hate what they did in First Contact and Voyager, but that still does change their intent with Picardo's cameo. Honestly, while Voyager isn't my favorite series, I still enjoyed the EMH's unexpected experience and it seemed to get a great reaction in the audience I saw it with.
Remember that Mulgrew wasn't even their choice for the cameo role...it was Jeri Ryan. I don't remember why Ryan turned it down.
Let's face it, though...Mulgrew played a captain in one of the Star Trek series. She's going to get that credit recognition whether she deserves it or not.
Let's face it, though...Mulgrew played a captain in one of the Star Trek series. She's going to get that credit recognition whether she deserves it or not.
Actually, that's how I saw it too. People generally LIKED Picardo's character... and Russ's character... most of the rest were just sort of "casual interest" characters, but the two leads were pretty much disliked by most people I know.
As for why Jeri Ryan turned it down... I'd never heard that bit, but if true, it does fit. That's about the same time that her husband was being forced out of the Senate race through the illegal revelation of his and Jeri's divorce records (clearing the way for Obama to "sweep in and save the day"). I was a big fan of Jack Ryan and planned to vote for the guy... and honestly, the fact that the guy had a few "kinks" to share with HIS WIFE was hardly something that I'd have considered a reason not to vote for him!
