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The OFFICIAL new Enterprise - Let the critiques begin!

Aegis said:
HOLD THE PRESSES!!!!!

Dark Horizons

Story on the Dark Horizons website....and a Small picture of the ship!

That's the Gabe Enterprise, which is not the ST'08 ship. You can see that the top of the saucer & bridge are different than the ones in the trailer ship. Gabe's ship has been around awhile now.
 
trevanian said:
^You base that on what, something from TOS-R? HUTT, you're more pathetic all the time.

Christ, between you and that ANCIENT asshole, I'll be happy to take a vacation from this place.

Thank God ILMFAN.COM is almost open for business again.

Calm down, it was a joke poking fun at CRA. He was hit by the "purists" for "changing the Enterprise" on his deckplans.


You know what, I just don't see what people are going off about about the look of the trailer. I mean, the teaser for TUC showed clips of TOS being projected on the hull of the enterprise's hull... I never say that in the actual movie.


And even if what we saw in the trailer is in the film, so what? I don't care if they changed the size or fine details of the shape to make the exterior fit the interiors. Something trek's always had a problem with.

I'm just happy we are getting another trek film, and I will wait to attack it or not till after I see it.

I just am sick of the people are hating it because JJ didn't break into the Smithsonian to get the original model out and photo scan it to make the new ship Identical to the one shown on the show...


I mean, even then which look did you want, there were three different versions of the model shot and they were used intermixed without what seemed much thought.

Wait, before you hate. :thumbsup:
 
A lot (and I mean a lot) of people have mistaken Gabe's ship for the movie Enterprise. It's a tribute to the quality of his rendering/CGI skills.
 
trevanian said:
^You base that on what, something from TOS-R? HUTT, you're more pathetic all the time.

Christ, between you and that ANCIENT asshole, I'll be happy to take a vacation from this place.
And with statements like that, you work your way closer to one. Be glad you combined two flames in one post - you can only get warned one for them.

One warning for flaming - any discussions to PM. - Ptrope
 
Ptrope said:
trevanian said:
^You base that on what, something from TOS-R? HUTT, you're more pathetic all the time.

Christ, between you and that ANCIENT asshole, I'll be happy to take a vacation from this place.
And with statements like that, you work your way closer to one. Be glad you combined two flames in one post - you can only get warned one for them.

One warning for flaming - any discussions to PM. - Ptrope

I don't think that was warn worthy to be honest... not sure how ancient feels though.
 
They shouldn't be making links to any of 'em.

Fer chrissakes, do they actually think we don't know what the ship looked like? That they can actually sell this as "what the ship looked like all along"?

Then again, we've had more than a few sheeple here make that precise case, so nothing'll surprise me at this point...
 
Captain Robert April said:
They shouldn't be making links to any of 'em.

Fer chrissakes, do they actually think we don't know what the ship looked like? That they can actually sell this as "what the ship looked like all along"?

Then again, we've had more than a few sheeple here make that precise case, so nothing'll surprise me at this point...

It worked for the klingons... :klingon:
 
Captain Robert April said:
They shouldn't be making links to any of 'em.

Fer chrissakes, do they actually think we don't know what the ship looked like? That they can actually sell this as "what the ship looked like all along"?

Then again, we've had more than a few sheeple here make that precise case, so nothing'll surprise me at this point...

If the design of the Big E hinders your ability to enjoy the movie, then, as you've stated already, don't spend the coin to see it; however, there's no need to piss in other people's corn flakes if they can look past it and gear up to see it.

Is a sheep someone with an open mind? Then Ba Ba Black Sheep for me then. Is a sheep someone willing to allow these folks make the movie they want and try to enjoy it? Well, a big BAAAAA!

Is someone with his head up his ass about whether or not this film caters to him and his need for minute detail a twit? Oh, yes. Very much so. Very much so.
 
Cary L. Brown said:
Wingsley said:
Starship Polaris said:
The difference being that there's no 23rd century for the movie to be set in, any more than there's an historical Krypton for Kal-El to fall from.

Ergo, there's no more or less restriction on redesigning the fictional 23rd century than there has been in redesigning Krypton every few years since the beginning of "Superman" in the comics - and the reason to do so in both cases is simply to update the property to suit evolving tastes and expectations (as well as to let creative comic book and film artists be artists and designers rather than human photocopiers).


Hmmm... "human photocopiers"...

So why don't these artists and writers simply start with a completely clean sheet of paper, instead of capitalizing on the STAR TREK name?

If you want to see the 2008 Camaro and you don't have time for a 1970 Camaro, then there's nothing wrong with making a NEW TREK with new characters, no Starship Enterprise with "NCC-1701" on the hood, no Jim Kirk, no Spock, etc.
That's the logical trap that's gonna get you labeled a "troublemaker" by the "kewl kids" in here, and get them hitting "report to mod" every time you make a post. Trust me, I know allll about that. There are a half-dozen or so folks in here who'll try ANYTHING to get ME kicked off the BBS. And at least one mod who'll gladly play along. (NOT PTrope, mind you!)

Your logic is inescapable. The argument is "we don't want to be tied down to what's been done before" but the other half of the argument is "we need it to be what came before to get people to come."

It's a classic "bait and switch" argument. The basis of this argument is "you get the people to start watching by fooling them into thinking they're going to see something that they know, then once they've paid to see it, you give them what YOU want to give them, not what they're expecting."

It's about ego ("we can do it better") but also about deceit ("they won't come to see it if I call it something new, so I'll trick them into coming by telling them it's something old. Once I've got their money, they'll have no choice but to sit through it. And since my idea is so much better than the original, they'll decide that my IMPROVEMENTS should replace that old, stale version that they remember.")

Most of what I've seen for this film... script, casting, etc... has been promising. But this uncalled-for ship redesign has put a bad taste into my mouth, and taken what's been a pretty positive perspective on the show overall and turned it into a more cautious one. I'm not sure about anything now.

I know that there are folks who'll argue that it's not important. The answer to them is "so why change it?" There will be other folks who hate the original and want it changed. The answer to them is "so why call it the Enterprise at all?"

Ultimately, this is going to result in the new movie being treated much like the "Lost in Space" movie... as a separate piece. Except in the case of Lost in Space, both the TV show and the movie were abortions. In this case, the TV show is a classic, and we don't know WHAT the movie will be like. But it will inevitably cause a split in the mythos... fans arguing forever after about "which continuity" we're talking about... people choosing sides and fighting. Flame wars, etc.

It's pointless, counterproductive, and ultimately destructive. It may not mean that the film will be a success or a failure, but it will very likely put the final nails into the coffin of classic Trek fandom.

There are those who post here who'll take HUGE pleasure in that, too... and we know who they are.

Hey! :mad: Lost in Space was a great movie! :mad: You take that back! :mad:
 
Aegis said:
HOLD THE PRESSES!!!!!

Dark Horizons

Story on the Dark Horizons website....and a Small picture of the ship!

This thing pops up once a week as the new design. Maybe Gabe should change the ships name to U.S.S. Not-In-The-Movie on his pictures, so that the last one gets it.
 
Sean_McCormick said:
Aegis said:
HOLD THE PRESSES!!!!!

Dark Horizons

Story on the Dark Horizons website....and a Small picture of the ship!

This thing pops up once a week as the new design. Maybe Gabe should change the ships name to U.S.S. Not-In-The-Movie on his pictures, so that the last one gets it.

Or the aptly named U.S.S. Not Appearing In This Film. :lol:
 
Is someone with his head up his ass about whether or not this film caters to him and his need for minute detail a twit? Oh, yes. Very much so. Very much so.

In fairness, it is reasonable for someone to complain that something does not appeal to his tastes. That is exactly the thing he is most qualified to comment on -- his own tastes. It is then up to others to decide on appropriate evidence whether they have similar tastes.

The question of whether this design matches the original is multifaceted. Some will complain because they embrace the interconnected "canon" that renders Trek some kind of big story. Some will complain that they will miss seeing on the big screen an artistic vision and sense of style that they enjoyed on TV. I could care less about "canon" but love Matt Jefferies' art, so I will miss seeing it. But I will also be the first to say a well-conceived story that is served by an altered artistic vision will be well worth seeing.

At this point however, none of this can be determined.
 
aridas sofia said:
Is someone with his head up his ass about whether or not this film caters to him and his need for minute detail a twit? Oh, yes. Very much so. Very much so.

In fairness, it is reasonable for someone to complain that something does not appeal to his tastes. That is exactly the thing he is most qualified to comment on -- his own tastes. It is then up to others to decide on appropriate evidence whether they have similar tastes.
I won't argue that he has a right to his opinion, but calling people 'sheep' because they aren't willing to think the design is terrible isn't I think.
 
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