I agree with the consensus-disappointing review, but probably because there's not tons of material to go on, but he misses some obvious plot stuff to criticize. In fact, it misses a lot because he wastes time on Kruge's pet and Valkris' death. TFF should be great, because there's a lot more to go on.
The Nostalgia Critic: Odd Numbered Trek Films
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And the words "Sega Genesis" immediately bring up the memory of this startup screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y6hIABR-nU
So I saw the SfS review. I thought the TMP was funnier. And I guess I didn't see the point of the Pon Farr scene not being sexy enough. I thought it was fine, it wasn't supposed to be some major sex scene for people to get hot over, and the finger-touching is part of the Vulcan culture.
I think these reviews are too short, because as others have pointed out he's missed some other things worth mentioning within both videos. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the part where Kruge randomly chokes those giant worms.
But now we have the FF review to look forward to.
I think these reviews are too short, because as others have pointed out he's missed some other things worth mentioning within both videos. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the part where Kruge randomly chokes those giant worms.
But now we have the FF review to look forward to.
I didn't think the TSFS review was all that bad. Yeah, it wasn't great, but I liked it. It's true that he didn't call attention to a lot of stuff, but he always does that. After all, he can't point out every single detail of a movie. For instance, one of his all-time best videos was his Cop and a Half review, IMHO, and there were plenty of things he skipped in that one.
^ Possible. I haven't seen his TFF review yet, but it could very well be something along those lines - kind of like if someone new came along and reviewed the Star Wars prequels. It's been done so many times that it's hard to offer anything new.
Star Trek V Review on Blip.
I suppose the problem could be the movies don't offer the material that, say, the Star Wars prequels did for Plinkett or what Doug's usual fare does for him. The "bad" Trek movies cannot compare to some of the sheer crap TNC has taken on.
I suppose the problem could be the movies don't offer the material that, say, the Star Wars prequels did for Plinkett or what Doug's usual fare does for him. The "bad" Trek movies cannot compare to some of the sheer crap TNC has taken on.
I think Generations will probably be the last one he does. Whenever he does a theme month, he usually limits himself to four movies.
Of course, though, there's five Wednesdays in January this week (the episodes are one-week behind due to a computer issue Doug was having) so I suspect he'll do Insurrection as well. (Again the "theme" of these seems to be judging if the "Odd Myth" is true and that would include Insurrection.
I actually really liked the TFF review and thought it was a bit more keeping with his usual stuff but still not as overboard because it's hard to go overboard on a movie that's comparatively not that bad when looking at, say, "The Room."
He did touch on some points while at the same time overlooking many (he didn't even touch on the poor effects.) It would have maybe been a bit nice if he had pointed out that while Nichelle Nichols looked good in her day her advanced age nude form isn't that desirable.
There's also a lot of effects blunders and such that could have been touched on and other goofy stuff with parts of the ship not working.
But I liked this review overall, it'll be interesting to see how he attacks Gen.
Now for my Fanwank!
Okay, some fans have wondered and argued in the past how the Enterprise in this movie was able to get to the center of the galaxy when it should be too distant to get to quickly given what we (now) know about warp speeds.
I think the TNG episode "The Nth Degree" tried to "retcon" TFF to have it make a bit more sense.
In that episode Lt. Barcaly gets zapped by a space probe, becomes super-smart, and is able to modify the Enterprise-D's engines to take it to a distant location in the galaxy there they meet a non-corporeal being represented as nothing more than a glowing head. We learn that the being is a Cytherian (sp?) and they're "explorers" as well but rather than go to locations to meet new species they bring them to them. After meeting with the aliens for a time Barclay is returned to normal and the Enterprise is sent back to its original location. (Presumably the knowledge and technology to make the high-speed engine goes away too or simply researched by SF but is otherwise never mentioned again.)
I think something similar happened to Sybok but only he encountered something sent out by this "imprisoned" alien and the effects were different than Barcaly's. Sybok gained some degree of heightened telepathic powers, being Vulcan, and he may have also gained some technological knowledge to improve the Enterprise's engines so it could traverse to the center of the galaxy using a... wormhole or something that the Klingons followed the Enterprise through.
Also in order to jive with what we know about the real center of the galaxy (and knew even back then) this was simply "near the center" and not the center.
I actually really liked the TFF review and thought it was a bit more keeping with his usual stuff but still not as overboard because it's hard to go overboard on a movie that's comparatively not that bad when looking at, say, "The Room."
He did touch on some points while at the same time overlooking many (he didn't even touch on the poor effects.) It would have maybe been a bit nice if he had pointed out that while Nichelle Nichols looked good in her day her advanced age nude form isn't that desirable.
There's also a lot of effects blunders and such that could have been touched on and other goofy stuff with parts of the ship not working.
But I liked this review overall, it'll be interesting to see how he attacks Gen.
Now for my Fanwank!
Okay, some fans have wondered and argued in the past how the Enterprise in this movie was able to get to the center of the galaxy when it should be too distant to get to quickly given what we (now) know about warp speeds.
I think the TNG episode "The Nth Degree" tried to "retcon" TFF to have it make a bit more sense.
In that episode Lt. Barcaly gets zapped by a space probe, becomes super-smart, and is able to modify the Enterprise-D's engines to take it to a distant location in the galaxy there they meet a non-corporeal being represented as nothing more than a glowing head. We learn that the being is a Cytherian (sp?) and they're "explorers" as well but rather than go to locations to meet new species they bring them to them. After meeting with the aliens for a time Barclay is returned to normal and the Enterprise is sent back to its original location. (Presumably the knowledge and technology to make the high-speed engine goes away too or simply researched by SF but is otherwise never mentioned again.)
I think something similar happened to Sybok but only he encountered something sent out by this "imprisoned" alien and the effects were different than Barcaly's. Sybok gained some degree of heightened telepathic powers, being Vulcan, and he may have also gained some technological knowledge to improve the Enterprise's engines so it could traverse to the center of the galaxy using a... wormhole or something that the Klingons followed the Enterprise through.
Also in order to jive with what we know about the real center of the galaxy (and knew even back then) this was simply "near the center" and not the center.
Enjoyed his TFF review, the best of the lot so far. He actually brought up something I hadn't thought of before: The scene in the lounge: How did they see each other's pain? And was it something that happened with everyone he converted? I usually wrote it off as Sybok being a really strong telepath or his power being some form of a mindmeld.
That's an interesting theory.
I always thought that while everyone thought they were heading to the center of the galaxy, they were actually wrong. It seems that in Kirk's time, there was still a lot of uncharted space that the Federation was dealing with, and their information was lacking in quite a few areas. I guess I thought it was entirely possible that due to their limited information and technology, they simply assumed it was the center of the galaxy, when not.
In Picard's time there is a lot more information to draw upon. More space has been charted and explored then in Kirk's time, and maybe now they've figured out that the whole 'center of the galaxy' was misnamed. Our own information and beliefs regarding our universe and very solar system is constantly changing as we find out more, so it's entirely possible that the same situation occurred in Trek.
Usually I love the Critic's stuff, but the ST are on the bottom end of his work, IMO. I guess there really isn't a whole lot to work with or he can't say anything that hasn't been said a dozen times before. They're still good, just not up to par with his usual stuff.
Indeed it did, Doug must be much more of a TNG fan than a TOS one and that shone through in this review. He even made the fan nitpicky comments like the re-used BOP blowing up shot and the nonsense of killing Picard's family. (Would've been nice if he mentioned all of the ship's lights having burned out. )
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