Because that's where it's sourced from. So far, I think the review for Generations is starting off on a good note, especially with the Takei biography bit. Still can't beat Mr. Plinkett's anal-sis.
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The Nostalgia Critic: Odd Numbered Trek Films
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just watched his review of "Generations". i might be a little biased since it was a favorite of mine but here's my opinion.
in this review, there are some reasonably funny parts, but some of his jokes were pretty bad, even more so when he repeats the joke. on the straight review side, he does point out some plot holes and make some genuinely decent observations on it. however, when comparing this to his other trek reviews, it's his worst one of the bunch so far.
i'm dreading when he reviews "insurrection" and lingers on this one scene i'm thinking of. if he shows it, i'll point it out.
in this review, there are some reasonably funny parts, but some of his jokes were pretty bad, even more so when he repeats the joke. on the straight review side, he does point out some plot holes and make some genuinely decent observations on it. however, when comparing this to his other trek reviews, it's his worst one of the bunch so far.
i'm dreading when he reviews "insurrection" and lingers on this one scene i'm thinking of. if he shows it, i'll point it out.
Blip hosts the videos for him; they likely publish the videos before his webmaster has a chance to make the link for the video on his own site.
"Smooth as an android's bottom?" Worf's pimple? Or, wait, I know.... it's the scene where Data overhears Troi and Beverly talking about their boobs and then asks Worf about his, right? Any one of those will be great fodder for the Nostalgia Critic.
I couldn't help but notice the part where the Nostalgia Critic wonders why Soran doesn't just fly a shuttlecraft into the Nexus. Evidently, he either chose to skip over or completely forgot about the part where Data explains to Picard why Soran can't do that.
To say that Generations' plot is full of more holes than Swiss cheese might be cliched, but it would also be rather generous. I do like the fact that NC points out the fact that Picard could go back to the Nexus, come back out and try again as many times as it takes to get it right. There simply was no good reason for Kirk to die in this movie.
To say that Generations' plot is full of more holes than Swiss cheese might be cliched, but it would also be rather generous. I do like the fact that NC points out the fact that Picard could go back to the Nexus, come back out and try again as many times as it takes to get it right. There simply was no good reason for Kirk to die in this movie.
I thought this was his best review of the Trek films so far. He was actually pretty fair to it, yeah he touched on the plot holes, but he admitted that it wasn't terrible. I've always thought "Generations" gets a very unfair rap- to me, it's good, but unspectacular. It's very similar to the way I view TSFS.
But it's a BS explanation in the first place. Data says any ship that encounters the ribbon is destroyed. Well what the hell happens to the planet? ANYTHING the ribbon encounters will be destroyed, but that apparently doesn't prevent the 'soul' of an individual from entering the Nexus.
Wasn't Soran's original beef that he was ripped from the Nexus in the first place? So he (and Guinan) had been on a ship, entered the Nexus by encountering the ribbon, but were somehow pulled back to reality by the Ent-B transporters. The whole idea is a mess.
But it's a BS explanation in the first place. Data says any ship that encounters the ribbon is destroyed. Well what the hell happens to the planet? ANYTHING the ribbon encounters will be destroyed, but that apparently doesn't prevent the 'soul' of an individual from entering the Nexus.
Wasn't Soran's original beef that he was ripped from the Nexus in the first place? So he (and Guinan) had been on a ship, entered the Nexus by encountering the ribbon, but were somehow pulled back to reality by the Ent-B transporters. The whole idea is a mess.
Yeppers. He was screaming "let me go back, let me go back" and remember Kirk was torn from the 1701-B and pulled into the Nexus. So the whole "you can't fly into" excuse is contradictory to what we see at the start of the movie.
Besides: Why note fly into's the Nexus's path, put on a EVA suit, beam into space and let the Nexus wash over you. It's the same thing he did at the end, just minus the whole blowing up planets and killing millions.
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But it's a BS explanation in the first place. Data says any ship that encounters the ribbon is destroyed. Well what the hell happens to the planet? ANYTHING the ribbon encounters will be destroyed, but that apparently doesn't prevent the 'soul' of an individual from entering the Nexus.
Wasn't Soran's original beef that he was ripped from the Nexus in the first place? So he (and Guinan) had been on a ship, entered the Nexus by encountering the ribbon, but were somehow pulled back to reality by the Ent-B transporters. The whole idea is a mess.
Yeppers. He was screaming "let me go back, let me go back" and remember Kirk was torn from the 1701-B and pulled into the Nexus. So the whole "you can't fly into" excuse is contradictory to what we see at the start of the movie.
Besides: Why night fly into's path, put on a EVA suit, beam into space and let the Nexus wash over you. It's the same thing he did at the end, just minus the whole blowing up planets and killing millions.
Oh, I can't deny that even the explanation of why a ship can't go through the Nexus is flimsy, but the explanation exists regardless and I admit to being disappointed that NC didn't even cover it one way or the other. Would have been nice, while he was going after other plotholes, to hear his thoughts on that one.
The explanation is bull-shit though because it's contradicted by events in the film where everyone we know who got into the Nexus got there by being on a ship! So just because they "explained it" doesn't mean that explanation is a good one.
Soren: Got into The Nexus the first time through a ship.
Gunian: Got into The Nexus by being on a ship.
Kirk: Got into The Nexus by being pulled from a ship.
Unknown Number of El-Aurians: Got into The Nexus by being pulled from a ship.
So... Why can't Soren just fly into it with a ship? Given that we've seen it happen and even saw that ships can survive in there? Granted, as Data says, the ships are sometimes damaged (as the Ent-B was) but why would that matter to Soren? What is he going to care about the ship? And, as said, he could just strap on an EVA suit and beam himself into the path of the ribbon part (which seems to not damage things but directly teleport you.)
So, sorry, just because a flimsy explanation is offered in the movie doesn't mean that explanation is valid as it's directly contradicted by events that've already happened in the movie.
Soren: Got into The Nexus the first time through a ship.
Gunian: Got into The Nexus by being on a ship.
Kirk: Got into The Nexus by being pulled from a ship.
Unknown Number of El-Aurians: Got into The Nexus by being pulled from a ship.
So... Why can't Soren just fly into it with a ship? Given that we've seen it happen and even saw that ships can survive in there? Granted, as Data says, the ships are sometimes damaged (as the Ent-B was) but why would that matter to Soren? What is he going to care about the ship? And, as said, he could just strap on an EVA suit and beam himself into the path of the ribbon part (which seems to not damage things but directly teleport you.)
So, sorry, just because a flimsy explanation is offered in the movie doesn't mean that explanation is valid as it's directly contradicted by events that've already happened in the movie.
Agreed. In addition, because this explanation was given by Data of all the characters in the film, wouldn't it make sense to deconstruct Data's logistics there? This android's basis for his conclusion doesn't work, and deserves to be exploited as we are doing within this thread right now. My point is that the Nostalgia Critic missed an opportunity to do the same.
Fair enough. Works doubly against the character and the movie itself. Really makes the whole 'trilitihium resin, destroy stars, change the course of the ribbon, involve the Klingons, get the Enterprise destroyed, need to bring back Kirk to the least effective moment' aspects of the story pretty f*cking pointless and unnecessary when you think about it
I suppose one could argue that Soren is thinking....
"If I try to fly into it with a ship, there's a good chance that the ship will be destroyed before I'm in the Nexus or damaged to the point where I can't get close enough. If I bring it to me, there's a 100% certainty that I'll get in."
Granted, that's still a flimsy explanation (after all, if you're worried about the ship not getting there in time, just use an EVA suit).
"If I try to fly into it with a ship, there's a good chance that the ship will be destroyed before I'm in the Nexus or damaged to the point where I can't get close enough. If I bring it to me, there's a 100% certainty that I'll get in."
Granted, that's still a flimsy explanation (after all, if you're worried about the ship not getting there in time, just use an EVA suit).
It’s nothing new that Doug sometimes cites plot holes, when they are in fact cleared up in the film. The stuff with the flying a ship into the Nexus deal is always touchy, but I always thought the odds of getting into the Nexus from space was worse than doing it the way Soran actually pulled it off. Kirk’s accidental way of getting into the Nexus was kind of like being stuck by lightning. You can try to get hit, but sometimes it won’t work, unless you do certain things. If Soran would have done the jump from the ship to Nexus in EV suit, he could have missed and would just simply float through space with no hope of retrieving his ship, but maybe if he’d ask the Klingons nicely… nah, forget it.
Picard was crunched for time when it came to asking to go from the point he left off, instead of going earlier. Also, I don’t think he would be able to prove it very well if he took out Soran as soon as they first met.
I see why the Data comedy stuff is annoying, but I don’t mind it, because I will admit that I’ve acted like Data many times in my life where I would constantly laugh at to the point where the others around me find it annoying. That’s what Data is, a kid who just heard the funniest thing ever and won’t let it go.
I must admit it was pretty bad of him to cite why Picard doesn’t beam through Soran’s force field to get to him. Not only was the planet messed up to actually scan the planet, but you can’t beam through shield, because that’s their function! To SHIELD others away from it!
Other than that, I thought it was an amusing review. I like Generations and reviews like that are more like roasts for me. Of course, it wasn’t as good as Mr. Plinkett’s. I still love the big black circle that shows up in his review, representing a plot hole. Doug also stole a joke from SF Debris' review.
Picard was crunched for time when it came to asking to go from the point he left off, instead of going earlier. Also, I don’t think he would be able to prove it very well if he took out Soran as soon as they first met.
I see why the Data comedy stuff is annoying, but I don’t mind it, because I will admit that I’ve acted like Data many times in my life where I would constantly laugh at to the point where the others around me find it annoying. That’s what Data is, a kid who just heard the funniest thing ever and won’t let it go.
I must admit it was pretty bad of him to cite why Picard doesn’t beam through Soran’s force field to get to him. Not only was the planet messed up to actually scan the planet, but you can’t beam through shield, because that’s their function! To SHIELD others away from it!
Other than that, I thought it was an amusing review. I like Generations and reviews like that are more like roasts for me. Of course, it wasn’t as good as Mr. Plinkett’s. I still love the big black circle that shows up in his review, representing a plot hole. Doug also stole a joke from SF Debris' review.
I'd argue that the plan he did come with hardly offers 100% certainty and probably even had bigger potential to go wrong for him than just flying into it with a ship (again, how him and so many others got into it) would have.
data actually said that "any ship that approached the ribbon would either be destroyed or severely damaged."
soran wanted to get back to the nexus and didn't fly a ship into it because of the high probability that he might die before crossing into the nexus while in the ribbon.
there's probably some treknobable that would explain how the natural conditions of the planet would save him to avoid being fried by the ribbon before entering the nexus, i don't know. he had about 75 years to pick a planet while he developed the tech needed to collapse a star, so draw your own conclusions
i'm only guessing about why soran decided to wait on a planet. my quoting of data is real though and hopefully would explain the "why not use a ship" plothole.
soran wanted to get back to the nexus and didn't fly a ship into it because of the high probability that he might die before crossing into the nexus while in the ribbon.
there's probably some treknobable that would explain how the natural conditions of the planet would save him to avoid being fried by the ribbon before entering the nexus, i don't know. he had about 75 years to pick a planet while he developed the tech needed to collapse a star, so draw your own conclusions
i'm only guessing about why soran decided to wait on a planet. my quoting of data is real though and hopefully would explain the "why not use a ship" plothole.
Except it doesn't. An actual explanation would not require guessing. The fact that ships get damaged or destroyed is never shown to prevent or cause difficulties for anyone entering the Nexus.
Yes, thanks, we know what Data said. But as pointed out it doesn't undo the fact ships have gone into the Nexus and survived long enough to allow people to get into the Nexus (one of those ships managing to escape The Nexus). There's any number of ways he could've gotten into the Nexus, hell he probably could've flown straight into from the front and gotten right into the part of the ribbon that seems to pull one in.
It doesn't matter what Data said, the movie itself shows that ship is a good way to get into the Nexus.
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