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The New Klingons
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They can't wrongfully appropriate something they own.
That's racist...um, specist
For some reason, reading the last several posts, I thought of this:
Best Klingon ever. Search your feelings-you know it's true.Not in the slightest.
I dunno, where?
What is there to hate when we have no context for how these Klingons relate to the larger narrative?
i could go either way on this. on first viewing, i didn't care for the re-imagining of the klingons. after a few days of thinking about it, though, i don't see how this is really any different from the far more radical re-imagining of the klingons in TMP, and we all somehow lived through that. i'm a huge fan of the klingons, and while i am not super-crazy about the redesign, i could probably pretty easily learn to live with it provided the show delivers on what's really important - good characterization and storytelling.
that being said, i can't imagine that there isn't at least *some* degree of context that we're all missing here - the fact that there is a sarcophagus figuring in here somehow suggests to me that there's at least a possibility that the klingons we're seeing are some sort of evolutionary predecessor to the familiar klingons from past productions. the folks writing this show have a lot of experience writing star trek, and i can't believe that - whatever the deal is with these klingons - there won't be some sort of canonical explanation for what's up. i hope so, anyway.
that being said, i can't imagine that there isn't at least *some* degree of context that we're all missing here - the fact that there is a sarcophagus figuring in here somehow suggests to me that there's at least a possibility that the klingons we're seeing are some sort of evolutionary predecessor to the familiar klingons from past productions. the folks writing this show have a lot of experience writing star trek, and i can't believe that - whatever the deal is with these klingons - there won't be some sort of canonical explanation for what's up. i hope so, anyway.
Context is definitely missing.
I think the fans who can't accept the change are actually TNG fans. People who start to watch Star Trek when TNG was released long time ago. When I read this forum, people who have already become a fan since TOS has accept them. Because they already got a re-imagination phase when TNG released. So what the big deal when the Klingon change again? But TNG fans, they're enrage. Because this Star Trek is different than their Star Trek.
I, myself a TNG fan, because I start to watch Star Trek in '90 (I'm not American, and Star Trek started to show in my country TV in '90 (I forgot when, 1990, 1991, or 1992). But I will accept this version of Klingon. Because I think TNG Star Trek is already out dated for current time of entertainment; As I also the fan of real world warship. So I can't accept to see the star ship from 23 rd era can't beat Arleigh Burke Flight 2 Destroyer in the matter of sophisticated military hardware and weaponry.
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What you're saying makes no sense to me. How do you determine from a trailer whether or not you are interested in the production if you're not making some kind of judgment about it?
The absurd Klingons for starters...
Is it time for a "They all look alike" joke?
I dunno man, I remember a lot of TOS fans being pretty adamant that TNG was a huge mistake and shouldn't have been attempted. All kinds of Trek fans can be resistant to change. And each of them are resistant to changing different things.
They've already said they are reimagining at least some of the aliens in their reboot. So, I'm guessing they may basically say that internally to the ST DSC reboot universe, the Klingons have always looked the way they do in the show, and no attempt will be made to explain the change. That the uniforms are the uniforms of the rebooted/reimagined Pike Era and not the ones from The Cage, etc.
Depending on the episode, I still am resistant to including TNG in the same world as TOS.
Just like TMP?
I see much of it as reboots starting with TMP.
There have been reboots/reimaginings of Trek at least five times - TMP, TWOK, TNG, ENT and JJTrek. All pretended to be in the same continuity to one extent or another (even the openly acknowledged "parallel timeline" of ST09 is rooted in the same history prior to the Kelvin incident). I don't think a sixth new look is that big a deal.
It's interesting to me how quickly the "not real Trek" comes up when a reboot is discussed. The 50 plus years of Trek have seen a lot of visual changes, as you describe. So, yeah, all the common links are focused upon, and any inconsistencies are ignored.
Not sure how DSC is more egregious here.
In my view there are roughly three main Trek universes/timelines/whatever which are broadly internally consistent with some visual/technological updates along the way.
1. TOS and TAS
2. The Pre-JJ films, the TNG era and ENT
3. JJverse
From what we see of Discovery in the trailer, I'd say it'll end up sitting reasonably well in timeline 2.
1. TOS and TAS
2. The Pre-JJ films, the TNG era and ENT
3. JJverse
From what we see of Discovery in the trailer, I'd say it'll end up sitting reasonably well in timeline 2.
I have no doubt of Discovery being "real Star Trek", I just have doubts about it being in the Prime timeline.
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