The New Enterprise Reveald

[starburst]

I think, since up against the rest of the assembled Trek record, this movie'll be the odd man out, it'll be rejected like a bad organ transplant, even if it does wind up making money.

With the amount of Art projects revolving around the new movie which are getting quite a bit of praise Im not sure your right.

It will be like any Trek aesthetic design you like it or you dont, some will base new projects off these ships some will stick to another period (some will mix the two).

Depends on the person creating the art, everyone has eras they like and dont like, some may like TOS and TMP, others TNG or FC onwards and some extreams of TOS and FC but nothing in between.

 

[Warped9]

The more I study the two I find myself evermore admiring and preferring the original MJ design.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It will be like any Trek aesthetic design you like it or you dont, some will base new projects off these ships some will stick to another period (some will mix the two).

Depends on the person creating the art, everyone has eras they like and dont like, some may like TOS and TMP, others TNG or FC onwards and some extreams of TOS and FC but nothing in between.

Yep.

Based on the online response so far you've got somewhere less than 10 percent of the hardcore fan base rejecting this movie. Folks expecting that the percentage will somehow shoot way up after people see the movie are pretty certainly doomed to be disappointed.

If one has gotten real comfortable with "designing" Trek ships by tracing blueprints published by fans or under license from Paramount and rearranging the various bits, the idea of all of this new and different stuff capturing peoples' attention is probably a bit intimidating. Some people will adopt the new designs happily and others will ignore them.

 

[Ptrope]

Any thoughts on the future of "trek art"; (official production things, fan-ships, toolkits, etc.) are we going to see a preponderance of humpy cowled turbine nacelles and curvey swept back dorsals?

Rephrasing: Does anyone think this style will become as ingrained and regularly seen, in all trek art and design, as the "looks" from TOS, TMP, and TNG have?

Sorry if this has been discussed already.

Well, hopefully, the Koerner-cowls and drag scoops won't be the new clichés of fanship designs; in fact, I'm all for forgetting these new nacelles ever existed. As for the rest, most of the swoopy stuff is old hat and has been since TNG and the 1701-D. Unfortunately, 'Starfleet design' has been pretty stagnant in general, for years, and nothing about the new ship really breaks new ground - it's just a poorly-collected set of clichés; I don't really see it making much of an impact on the overall fan production of ships.

 

[ancient]

You're not lining up the forward edge of the necks...a quick edit...

So yeah, there's an extension on the dish, but it's not that pronounced.

Hey, that be cheatin'! You can't just line them up and then say "they line up!"

In relation to the saucer - which I think is more important than the pylon - the engine hull is quite a bit forward.

 

[ancient]

Any thoughts on the future of "trek art"; (official production things, fan-ships, toolkits, etc.) are we going to see a preponderance of humpy cowled turbine nacelles and curvey swept back dorsals?

Rephrasing: Does anyone think this style will become as ingrained and regularly seen, in all trek art and design, as the "looks" from TOS, TMP, and TNG have?

Sorry if this has been discussed already.

Well, hopefully, the Koerner-cowls and drag scoops won't be the new clichés of fanship designs; in fact, I'm all for forgetting these new nacelles ever existed. As for the rest, most of the swoopy stuff is old hat and has been since TNG and the 1701-D. Unfortunately, 'Starfleet design' has been pretty stagnant in general, for years, and nothing about the new ship really breaks new ground - it's just a poorly-collected set of clichés; I don't really see it making much of an impact on the overall fan production of ships.

Well, they really only have three options:

1) Keep the same design.

2) Kitbash!

3) Come up with something completely unrecognizable.

At this point, any Trek ship that uses the saucer-engine hull-nacelle design is going to look similar to something already out there, fan-made or canonical. So pretty much any new design is going to look like a lovechild of two or more other trek ships, much like this new STXI-ENT does.

This new ship looks like they tried to cram innovation onto an old design, so of course it looks like an old design, but with a lot of crap stuck onto it or moved. Or in other words, like a kitbash.

Even though this is a new ship with new, never-before-seen things, it'll pretty inevitably look like someone glued crap all over the ship to someone with Trekkie eyes, at least at first. I know that was my first reaction, anyway.

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

 

[Psion]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

True, but I think it could have been done better.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

True, but I think it could have been done better.

Or much, much worse. Just look around the Internet.

 

[Captain Robert April]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

No, it didn't.

 

[AJBryant]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

No, it didn't.

Agreed. In spades.

 

[ST-One]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

No, it didn't.

Of course it had to be done.
'All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.'

 

[NCC1968]

New member here.............

To me it looks more advanced than the TOS ship and it should be ...simplier....cheesier

I guess the movie has to be high-tech looking and Ye Old NCC1701 ain't that........

So for me it is not really specs that get me, but the overall look.

 

[Warped9]

In an odd way I'm glad they did what they did with the design. It makes it much easier to categorize this project as its own thing and not at all connected to TOS.

In choosing to redraw the ship they had options varying from mild to extreme. They could easily have just tweaked the original design both inside and out and it would have been perfectly suitable. Or they could have been even more drastic then they have been and that could have worked just as well, particularly for a reboot--that actually might have been more interesting to see.

The original design is not perfect, but it has an overall integrity where everything fits together. Its elements have good visual balance and proportion. There are very few awkward angles at which to view MJ's ship as opposed to many of the latter Trek designs such as the 1701D which conversely had few good angles in which it looked good.

The new design reminds me of how I find many of the new car designs with their aesthetic sensibilities to be homely and even downright ugly. It looks like a mish-mash of components from different designs rather than an integrated whole.

The design isn't the reason I won't pay to see this film. But it is one of the telling indicators that I don't like or agree with the directions they're taking with this project. The released promo pics and the trailer make a stronger case in my view for not interesting me.

 

[Squiggy]

I'm warming up to the design, but it's pretty clear that remaking the ship was a tricky proposition for fans.

True, but it had to be done.

No, it didn't.

Then the movie would've failed and Star Trek would be dead.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

True, but it had to be done.

No, it didn't.

Then the movie would've failed and Star Trek would be dead.

There's that - but that's a minor detail, surely?

 

[Warped9]

In all candor if they wanted to really reboot and update TOS then they could have gone in a much bolder direction than the one they're taking. It appears they're trying to appease both camps of new and old.

 

[Psion]

True, but it had to be done.

True, but I think it could have been done better.

Or much, much worse. Just look around the Internet.

Oh, don't be so hard on yourself ... I loved the Phoenix!

 

[Ptrope]

Then the movie would've failed and Star Trek would be dead.

To quote so many pro-XI posts:

"It's not like the design of the ship is what's going to make or break the film" - which is probably true, so essentially, there's no good argument against the original silhouette being polished up for big-screen duty, either; somehow, this argument only seems to be allowed for folks who like the new ship. Oh, well.

I agree with Warped9's last post: this film is obviously being positioned to be all things to all people, fans and non-fans alike. In general, this approach rarely results in real success. Better that they reboot the franchise and be honest about it, instead of talking out of both sides of their mouths. And if they use time travel for a reset button, I see both camps getting thoroughly pissed - fans who feel jerked around, and non-fans wondering what "all this '60s-looking crap is at the end of the movie?"

I don't even bother getting emotionally-involved with this movie - the decisions we've seen so far aren't even rationally explainable.

 

[Squiggy]

If they didn't redesign the ship, they probably wouldn't have redesigned anything leaving us with TOS on the big screen which wouldn't have translated at all.