The New Enterprise in 3D! ... NOW FINISHED (threads merged)

[MadMan1701A]

Very nice, MadMan. Here is what I am with mine...

Some detail work on the saucer bottom sensor dome, and overall roughing in of shapes. This is a difficult ship to model for me.

Looking good. I think this is going to be a hard ship for anyone to model.

-=MadMan=-

 

[Johnnymuffintop]

Madman, LOVE the new nacelles (especially the warp coil bit) and the shape of the shuttlebay.

As for both Madman and PixelMagic, WOW! I'm amazed as to how quickly you guys can update your work. If only I had both of your combined knowledge and speed in modelling. I'd have a fleet done by now (since I don't have work or class to get in my way... until monday :O)

 

[Woulfe]

Wow, these are coming along great guys, nice work everyone doing this the hard way in Blender and so forth.

Here's mine again with better lighting so one can see it better then the dark image I posted before.

I just built a black box around the ship in Second Life while it was daytime then took this photo, so basically it's daylight just with a black background if someone wants to plop in stars, planets, whatever they like to, feel free.

- W -
* Now to figure out making the Kelvin in Second Life *

 

[MadMan1701A]

Wow, these are coming along great guys, nice work everyone doing this the hard way in Blender and so forth.

Here's mine again with better lighting so one can see it better then the dark image I posted before.

I just built a black box around the ship in Second Life while it was daytime then took this photo, so basically it's daylight just with a black background if someone wants to plop in stars, planets, whatever they like to, feel free.

- W -
* Now to figure out making the Kelvin in Second Life *

That's not bad, considering the limitations you have to work with. So, in game, is this like a freestanding sculpture, or something? I'm not that familiar with Second Life.

-=MadMan=-

 

[ancient]

These latest versions look the most accurate so far. And....damn, but they also don't look as good as the earlier versions.

The curved struts...WHY? They both look like shit AND make no sense, so...WHY?

My other major beef with this ship is the uncovered front of the neck, and top/front of the engine hull. It's like they just ran out of hull plates and decided to leave that part of the ship without its outer hull. The resulting wrinkle makes the whole thing look kinda like a poorly snapped-together plastic model.

Those two things are my biggest problems because they seem to make the design uglier AND less believeable.

Other things, like the saucer being a totally different color, and having a totally different hull texture from the rest of the ship...purely an artistic gaff.

 

[judexavier]

These latest versions look the most accurate so far. And....damn, but they also don't look as good as the earlier versions.

The curved struts...WHY? They both look like shit AND make no sense, so...WHY?

My other major beef with this ship is the uncovered front of the neck, and top/front of the engine hull. It's like they just ran out of hull plates and decided to leave that part of the ship without its outer hull. The resulting wrinkle makes the whole thing look kinda like a poorly snapped-together plastic model.

Those two things are my biggest problems because they seem to make the design uglier AND less believeable.

Other things, like the saucer being a totally different color, and having a totally different hull texture from the rest of the ship...purely an artistic gaff.

Perhaps the differences in the saucer and hull texturing suggest a composite craft, with the saucer being the sturdy, re-entry-proof lifeboat, whereas "space-hull" does not have these enhancements.
(in otherwords, perhaps Abrams and Co. settled on an exaggerated "saucer-seperation" scheme for this design).

Or maybe not.
Just a theory....

And, awesome modeling, Pixelmagic and Madman.

 

[MadMan1701A]

These latest versions look the most accurate so far. And....damn, but they also don't look as good as the earlier versions.

The curved struts...WHY? They both look like shit AND make no sense, so...WHY?

My other major beef with this ship is the uncovered front of the neck, and top/front of the engine hull. It's like they just ran out of hull plates and decided to leave that part of the ship without its outer hull. The resulting wrinkle makes the whole thing look kinda like a poorly snapped-together plastic model.

Those two things are my biggest problems because they seem to make the design uglier AND less believeable.

Other things, like the saucer being a totally different color, and having a totally different hull texture from the rest of the ship...purely an artistic gaff.

Perhaps the differences in the saucer and hull texturing suggest a composite craft, with the saucer being the sturdy, re-entry-proof lifeboat, whereas "space-hull" does not have these enhancements.
(in otherwords, perhaps Abrams and Co. settled on an exaggerated "saucer-seperation" scheme for this design).

Or maybe not.
Just a theory....

And, awesome modeling, Pixelmagic and Madman.

That's not a bad theory, at all, I don't think.

I think they have added some of these other lines to make the styling fall more in with what we see in later trek, especially the enterprise e and such. I think a lot of moviegoers would see a more traditional design, and say "that's it?"

Anyway, here is my impulse engine. The back is VERY similar to the Kelvin (which is probably wrong) and on the top, I tried to bridge the look from the TMP version, and the original version.

I like it.

-=MadMan=-

 

[judexavier]

Wow, yeah I like that. The only thing we have to go on so far are fuzzy "warp-away" screencaps, and it seems to be essentially the same design as the TMP Enterprise. I like the "crystal-power-warp-slush-dome" or whatever that should be called. LOL appologise for my terminology.
Like you said, incorporating different styles.

Very nice work.

by the "same design" I meant the impulse section on the saucer...

 

[MadMan1701A]

Wow, yeah I like that. The only thing we have to go on so far are fuzzy "warp-away" screencaps, and it seems to be essentially the same design as the TMP Enterprise. I like the "crystal-power-warp-slush-dome" or whatever that should be called. LOL appologise for my terminology.
Like you said, incorporating different styles.

Very nice work.

by the "same design" I meant the impulse section on the saucer...

Thanks. I stand by my earlier thought that they took the TMP Enterprise, and worked back from that, as opposed to taking the TOS Enterprise and sprucing it up. ILM did have alot of experience with the Refit model, anyway.

This is an idea I had... I think I saw something like this on some concept art when they were making Phase II, but I may be mistaken. I also like this.

Last update of the night. Have to return to work, tomorrow.

-=MadMan=-

 

[MadMan1701A]

Working on the saucer some more...

Not sure I like it yet. Anyone have a better idea, that they might want to sketch out?

-=MadMan=-

 

[judexavier]

The "frenched" inset window style? I like that. That was a feature of the Sternbach Voyager design I always liked, those inset banks of windows.
(I think the -D had those as well? Hell, never paid that much attention to it).

Looks good.

 

[Tyson]

It's painful watching such talented modelers trying to recreate this fugly wreck.

 

[MadMan1701A]

The "frenched" inset window style? I like that. That was a feature of the Sternbach Voyager design I always liked, those inset banks of windows.
(I think the -D had those as well? Hell, never paid that much attention to it).

Looks good.

Thanks. I like that part also, it's the very top at the bridge I'm not so sure about. I'll tinker some more tonight.

-=MadMan=-

 

[MadMan1701A]

It's painful watching such talented modelers trying to recreate this fugly wreck.

Hopefully, when this one is done, I can persuade you to like it.

-=MadMan=-

 

[Santaman]

I really hope you'll also make a less cringeworthy version of this "ship" one with a better sized saucer with its indent, straight nacelle pylons, less greeble/clutter on the neck, nacelles with the TOS ship's endcaps, a more TOS-like bussard collector, a non 70's disco deflector, better secundairy hull and so on.

As for the rest, despite the subject of the artwork being a [bleep, bleep, insult, bleep, etc] good artwork, your skills are improving.

 

[ancient]

Nice progress.

This more accurate version is making me un-like the new design some.

Still, great work, I look forward to the end result.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

It's painful watching such talented modelers trying to recreate this fugly wreck.

Yesh, but the effort is impressive. Pity this new design isn't.

 

[MadMan1701A]

I really hope you'll also make a less cringeworthy version of this "ship" one with a better sized saucer with its indent, straight nacelle pylons, less greeble/clutter on the neck, nacelles with the TOS ship's endcaps, a more TOS-like bussard collector, a non 70's disco deflector, better secundairy hull and so on.

As for the rest, despite the subject of the artwork being a [bleep, bleep, insult, bleep, etc] good artwork, your skills are improving.

Thanks. So, you want me to build the TMP enterprise with round nacelles. Got you.

So no one has any more suggestions for the bridge? I'm thinking about just going with a little more rounded version of Enterprise A's shape. That will probably gel with the rest of the aesthetics we can see here...

-=MadMan=-

 

[Cary L. Brown]

So no one has any more suggestions for the bridge? I'm thinking about just going with a little more rounded version of Enterprise A's shape. That will probably gel with the rest of the aesthetics we can see here...

-=MadMan=-

Well, it's awfully hard to make any cogent suggestions towards a "bridge design" which so totally misses the point of the original and TMP versions.

See, what they've done, in effect, is to take the TMP bridge module, and blow it up to twice it's original size. And instead of it being a "bridge module" with just the bridge inside, it's now massive and contains... God knows what, but obviously not just the bridge. They took the "look" but ignored the "reason behind the look," in other words.

If you want to approximate the look of the NewTrek bridge, your best bet, for now, is to just take the TMP bridge and expand it to twice it's original size. Because that's exactly what it's supposed to look like, as viewed from the front.

As for the back, I suspect that what they've done will be to have the area where the airlock was in TMP replaced with something that blends backwards towards the impulse drives, maybe becoming part of that "fin" in front of the impulse engines on the original design.

See, when I look at this ship, it looks to me like something that would've been done by someone who thought that french curves were just the coolest thing in the world, back in the day... or today, someone who does all their layouts using conic sections and really hates regular shapes (straight lines, for instance). So it wouldn't surprise me in the least if those two sets of lines got connected with a basic conic (or if it had been done on paper, with some element of the french curve's profile).

It sucks... but I really think that's what Church was doing. Whether or not he was doing it because he'd been instructed to do so, or was doing so on his own initiative, is an entirely different matter, of course.

 

[PixelMagic]

I'm thinking about just going with a little more rounded version of Enterprise A's shape.

From what I've seen, that's pretty close to what it is.