It's been stated in the Countdown comic that the Narada was vastly upgraded with Borg-derived nanotechnology, explaining its weird appearance and weapons. So if that's the case, beyond the bridge and the drilling apparatus, it doesn't look as though much of the original Narada survived. The shuttle bay in the film certainly doesn't look as though it could have been part of the original design. What are other people's thoughts on this matter?
The Narada
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I think the majority of the audience doesn't even know about those non canon comics, so we should take the appearance of the ship in the movie just for what it is. If you ask someone who hasn't seen Trek before and watched this movie, then the Narada is what Romulan ships look like now.
There's no way the Narada can be just a simple mining vessel though; it has to have been upgraded in some way or another to possess the kind of armaments it does (not to mention the interrogation chamber where Nero tortures Pike). And it's said multiple times how far advanced the ship is in comparison to 23rd century technology, something I wouldn't really expect a mining ship to be, even if it did originate over a hundred years in the future.
I don't see why a mining vessel wouldn't have the gear we witness. Its main characteristic is that it's BIG, like a mining rig ought to be. And big means powerful. Nero could have endless stocks of 24th century firecrackers aboard, and quantity would make up for lack of quality - just as we witness. Other ST starships die from the impact of half a dozen torpedoes. The Kelvin is merely wounded by what looks like hundreds of small impacts, and then commits suicide.
Being BIG, the rig would also probably have vast interior spaces, most of which would have no role to play when the rig isn't mining anything. A torture chamber, two different kinds of roller coaster, and a sauna compartment with mood-enhancing firefalls wouldn't surprise me a bit, and might indeed be considered essential gear for a Romulan mining rig on a long duration mission.
The Borg thing is pure nonsense: if Romulans had access to Borg tech, they wouldn't waste it on a mining rig, and a mining rig couldn't plausibly go and steal Borg tech on its own. Anyway, the Borg are in the 24th century (or at least are locally keeping a low profile in the 23rd, and you can't find the Borg when they don't want to be found), and Nero left the 24th century immediately after Spock failed to save Romulus. No time to go hunting for Borg stuff between being a simple miner and becoming Vulcan's worst nightmare.
Timo Saloniemi
Being BIG, the rig would also probably have vast interior spaces, most of which would have no role to play when the rig isn't mining anything. A torture chamber, two different kinds of roller coaster, and a sauna compartment with mood-enhancing firefalls wouldn't surprise me a bit, and might indeed be considered essential gear for a Romulan mining rig on a long duration mission.
The Borg thing is pure nonsense: if Romulans had access to Borg tech, they wouldn't waste it on a mining rig, and a mining rig couldn't plausibly go and steal Borg tech on its own. Anyway, the Borg are in the 24th century (or at least are locally keeping a low profile in the 23rd, and you can't find the Borg when they don't want to be found), and Nero left the 24th century immediately after Spock failed to save Romulus. No time to go hunting for Borg stuff between being a simple miner and becoming Vulcan's worst nightmare.
Timo Saloniemi
And all the Feds got was a bowling alley.
And all the Feds got was a bowling alley.
you forgot about the brewery in the nuprise
And they had gfemale officers, too. It was pretty much a sausage fest on the Narada. I'm up for bowling, anyone else?And all the Feds got was a bowling alley.That's why we love you, Timo.
you forgot about the brewery in the nuprise
The only reason Scotty stayed.And all the Feds got was a bowling alley.
you forgot about the brewery in the nuprise
I think the 'torture chamber' seen in the film was most likely originally just a medical bay, and Nero spruced it up to be used for more sinister purposes.
I do admit, I sometimes find the Borg thing a little hard to swallow. I'd personally prefer to believe that Nero got in contact with the galactic black market, which presented him with a highly advanced (and probably highly illegal) super-weapons system. Nero probably killed the sellers and then took it.
I do admit, I sometimes find the Borg thing a little hard to swallow. I'd personally prefer to believe that Nero got in contact with the galactic black market, which presented him with a highly advanced (and probably highly illegal) super-weapons system. Nero probably killed the sellers and then took it.
There was nothing about the Narada's weapons, aside from the stolen red matter, that was "super" in any way. At best, they were conventional explosive missiles that could pass through shields. Photon torpedoes probably would have served it better.
By that rationale a modern cruise liner or tanker would be more powerful than a destroyer.
In any event ... size in Trek doesn't always matter.
As for the Narada ... I always thought that Borg enhancements were sheer stupidity.
The ship should have exhibited much more if that was the case.
Have you guys seen what Borg nanoprobes did to a simple SF transport on Enterprise?
The technological capabilities of the vessel were steadily growing by the hour.
Ships that were in contact with Borg tech exhibited much more compared to the Narada for example.
since the comic is not canon anyway and the movie clearly suggests that Nero went after Spock immediately after the supernova was sucked into the black hole ... I say the Narada was likely a regular mining vessel from the late 24th century.
Definitely nothing surprising on how it dealt with SF ships of over a century behind in technology.
As for the Narada ... I always thought that Borg enhancements were sheer stupidity.
The ship should have exhibited much more if that was the case.
Have you guys seen what Borg nanoprobes did to a simple SF transport on Enterprise?
The technological capabilities of the vessel were steadily growing by the hour.
Ships that were in contact with Borg tech exhibited much more compared to the Narada for example.
since the comic is not canon anyway and the movie clearly suggests that Nero went after Spock immediately after the supernova was sucked into the black hole ... I say the Narada was likely a regular mining vessel from the late 24th century.
Definitely nothing surprising on how it dealt with SF ships of over a century behind in technology.
Read Countdown for insight into the "borg thing".
The Borg technology is actually an experimental hybrid of Borg and Romulan technology created by the Romulan military.
That Scepter Nero has? he stole it by killing the Romulan senators, and it effectively makes him the emporor.
This gives him the power politically to get access to that technology.
That is not true. An oil rig vs. a destroyer? A super tanker vs. an aircraft carrier?
How about the fact that one, baybe two shots, completely drains the shields of an opposing vessel.
That has nothing to do with the size of the ship.
In fact it would have been much more interesting if the Narada had been a very small ship that was capable of destroying entire fleets. A giant super destroyer is fanwank.
Of course, the truth is, it was designed to be big as a way of looking imposing, giving a sense that you don't want to be in its way.
We may not have seen all of it's capabilities, and it's size may actually be to intimidate.
In our search for an analogy, we're forgetting the time factor. A metallic oil tanker of today, without weapons, would completely crush a fully-armed wooden, slower vessel from the US Civil War just by going full speed ahead. Arm the Exxon crew with bazookas and it gets worse.
Which makes the Borg addition so much nonsense. The fact that missiles were from 130 years in the future should be (and essentially, really was) enough to wreck havoc on the 2250s fleet. When the TOS Defiant went back to the Mirror Enterprise timeline, the Defiant was pretty much comparable to the Narada's unstoppable factor compared to every single ship they faced.
Which makes the Borg addition so much nonsense. The fact that missiles were from 130 years in the future should be (and essentially, really was) enough to wreck havoc on the 2250s fleet. When the TOS Defiant went back to the Mirror Enterprise timeline, the Defiant was pretty much comparable to the Narada's unstoppable factor compared to every single ship they faced.
The explosions produced by the Narada's torpedoes were simply not nearly that powerful. The only thing that can explain them is if they are somehow able to pass through shields completely, destroying a ship's power grid and shield generators and lowering its defenses/destroying it that way.
Seriously, the explosive yield on those things looks comparable to a modern cruise missile, if not less. Photon torpedoes on the other hand have explosive yields more comparable to a city-busting thermonuclear weapon. I'm betting the Narada's missiles were some kind of mining charge enhanced by Borg tech to pass through shields... at least the comparatively primitive shields of the 23rd century.
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