Let's hear I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen one more time!
The most evil villain ever
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Let's hear I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen one more time!
The most evil, assuming we're limiting it to DS9. Hmm. DS9 was really good at painting its heroes and villains in shades of gray, not entirely black or white. Dukat and Winn had good moments, you'd have to look at minor characters to find pure evil. The senior Orion Syndicate members in "Honor Among Thieves"?
After watching the last episode, I must state that my impression of the female Shapeshifter as the most evil character ever in Star Trek still stands. Even at the end she was redy to commit genocide.
Unfortunately she wasn't killed off but I hope that she would spend the rest of her days in some containment field.
Unfortunately she wasn't killed off but I hope that she would spend the rest of her days in some containment field.
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I really hated The Female Shapeshifter! She was such a racist piece of trash who hated anyone who couldn't melt in a large pile of gelatinous crap. The genocide of Cardassia is one of the worst atrocities in all of Trek.
Absolutely amazing actress. She shined in every single scene she was in no matter how brief.
That said, Gul Dukat is right there alongside her in the evil stakes. He sold his soul to demons in order to destroy the entire galaxy. Also wanted to wipe out all Bajorans but never got the chance due to The Occupation ending.
Kai Winn is a nasty piece of work too. She kinda sorta tried to stop Dukat in the end but she was so crazy for glory she announced her plan and got incinerated.
DS9 had great villains.
Absolutely amazing actress. She shined in every single scene she was in no matter how brief.
That said, Gul Dukat is right there alongside her in the evil stakes. He sold his soul to demons in order to destroy the entire galaxy. Also wanted to wipe out all Bajorans but never got the chance due to The Occupation ending.
Kai Winn is a nasty piece of work too. She kinda sorta tried to stop Dukat in the end but she was so crazy for glory she announced her plan and got incinerated.
DS9 had great villains.
She was misanthropic past the point of caricature. She was overdone in that respect. She could've been still evil and felt that solids needed a stern hand. That she regarded them as nothing was a bit ridiculous I think.
So, anyone else shipping Armus & the Female Shapeshifter?
She really was incredible in that part. She's so often going for the unexpected choice but there's not a single false note, ever. Obviously all her stuff in the finale is particularly amazing, but also her scene at the end of "Favor The Bold" stands out for me, when Weyoun congratulates her for "neutralizing" Odo and she so calmly and coldly hands his ass to him, and Weyoun is completely stricken & cowering:
Her line reading on that, she's just so delighted by his smallness. I love it.
Although, why wouldn't she see herself as that far above the solids? We see ourselves as that much above sheep or mice, yet we are much more closely related to them than the changelings are to solids.
Sounds like a band ....curious as to what kind of music they would make...
You know, you may be on to something.
What if Armus was a part of the Changeling Link that they felt was all the negative side of them, globbed him up as one big pile of goo, and left on that planet? Perhaps he lost his full shapeshifting abilities over millennia of disuse.
What if Armus was a part of the Changeling Link that they felt was all the negative side of them, globbed him up as one big pile of goo, and left on that planet? Perhaps he lost his full shapeshifting abilities over millennia of disuse.
They sure didn't do a good job of ridding themselves of their negative traits if that's the case
I agree with you.
But let's look at it like this. If the Changelings, including the Female lead one, are really 'timeless' (perhaps immortal), then they would all remember the abuses they suffered by solids all those millennia ago.
Basically, at the core, fear is what drove their every horrible action they did. Perhaps this could be another look at "THE ENEMY WITHIN", when Kirk was split in two. The thoughtful, nice version was not afraid, but the dark side of Kirk was. Maybe the Changelings didn't think fear was a negative thing, when in reality it can very easily be a justification for people to do the most horrible things.
And fear is not necessarily a bad thing. Fear can keep you in check from doing stupid things. I just think the Changelings are an extreme case of fear being used in the wrong way, and untold billions, possibly trillions, were affected by it.
But let's look at it like this. If the Changelings, including the Female lead one, are really 'timeless' (perhaps immortal), then they would all remember the abuses they suffered by solids all those millennia ago.
Basically, at the core, fear is what drove their every horrible action they did. Perhaps this could be another look at "THE ENEMY WITHIN", when Kirk was split in two. The thoughtful, nice version was not afraid, but the dark side of Kirk was. Maybe the Changelings didn't think fear was a negative thing, when in reality it can very easily be a justification for people to do the most horrible things.
And fear is not necessarily a bad thing. Fear can keep you in check from doing stupid things. I just think the Changelings are an extreme case of fear being used in the wrong way, and untold billions, possibly trillions, were affected by it.
Probably death metal!
As evil as Dukat obviously was, I'm not seeing him ordering the complete genocide of an entire species the way the Female Shapeshifter did.
Yes, we all know that Dukat was the prefect of Bajor during the occupation, and of course numerous atrocities were perpetrated under his command. Nobody's disputing that. But the Female Shapeshifter's conduct during the Dominion War was much, much worse. She ordered the total extermination of the entire Cardassian species - as far as we know, nothing like that was even thought of during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor.
I don't really care what motivated her. Evil is evil...in cases like this, I regard motivation as irrelevant.
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^Out of sheer curiosity, how would you rate Annorax in that regard ? (and my apologies for dragging a non-DS9 character into this again).
On the one hand, he erased multiple species from history (the dialogue even suggest hundreds of worlds) in attempts to accomplish his goals -and he seems to do it even rather casually, as collateral damage that can't be avoided-, on the other hand, he didn't actually exterminate them, just …. erased them from history. And sometimes, when it suited his purposes, brought back, too.
On the one hand, he erased multiple species from history (the dialogue even suggest hundreds of worlds) in attempts to accomplish his goals -and he seems to do it even rather casually, as collateral damage that can't be avoided-, on the other hand, he didn't actually exterminate them, just …. erased them from history. And sometimes, when it suited his purposes, brought back, too.
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