Game The Most Disliked Season Finale Antagonist

[Richard S. Ta]

The Klingon War (DSC). I'm one of the few I think but I love it from start to end.

Duras (ENT S2, "The Expanse")
Control (DIS S2, "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")
Oh (PIC S1, "Et In Arcadia Ego, Part 2")
Narissa (PIC S1, "Et In Arcadia Ego, Part 2")

 

[Cyfa]

For my last save, I'm going for Duras (ENT S2, "The Expanse"). He's a somewhat generic Klingon bad guy, but is inoffensive enough - especially compared to the remaining three (Oh, started off rather interestingly, but that didn't last long, unfortunately). Plus, I much prefer the episodes Duras appeared in to the episodes that are left.

Control (DIS S2, "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")
Oh (PIC S1, "Et In Arcadia Ego, Part 2")
Narissa (PIC S1, "Et In Arcadia Ego, Part 2")

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Since I hated Control, I will save Oh as the more interesting Zhat Vash character.

Narissa (PIC S1, "Et In Arcadia Ego, Part 2")
Control (DIS S2, "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

 

[Sakonna]

Huh, a suitably uninspiring final two. I'll save Narissa because I like the actress, even though she is a terrible character.

I do like some of the Control aftermath on Disco, I like how they're a little haunted by Control still, but the actual story told in season 2 is one of the franchises worst. So Control is our winner/loser!

Pressman wasn't the villain in THAT episode. There was this green guy who kidnapped Shran's kid, though.

You will never convince me Admiral Pressman is not the final antagonist of Berman Trek, even though he's not even in the episode. But he's explicitly discussed quite a bit, the entire episode is Riker doing this holoprogram for the purpose of figuring out how to handle Pressman -- he is the antagonist to this episodes main character, as fucked up as that is.

But next time we do this I'll probably add the other guy too. I didn't even think of him as "real" enough to warrant inclusion this time.

 

[Oddish]

You will never convince me Admiral Pressman is not the final antagonist of Berman Trek, even though he's not even in the episode.

It's open to interpretation. Regardless, I rescued him because he was a pretty worthy character regardless. And he might have even been right. And because TATV is an atrocious series finale... but wouldn't have been too bad otherwise. My convictions on that are equally firm.

But next time we do this I'll probably add the other guy too. I didn't even think of him as "real" enough to warrant inclusion this time.

Kidnapped a 5-year-old, got in a fight with Archer and his MACO's, boarded Enterprise, beat up Archer, and got Trip killed. Seems real enough to me.

 

[Farscape One]

Which is completely reliant on the holoprogram being played with any sort of accuracy.

For instance, there is no way Hoshi and Travis would be an ensign after TEN years. Archer is not Janeway.

Also highly unlikely, Reed staying at Lt. after 10 years... even though we never see any Lt. Commanders during its run, given ENTERPRISE followed previously established shows with Starfleet ranks and since it's patterned after the US Navy, it's almost a certainty that there Lt. Cmdr. ranks in the show. Which means, Reed would likely be one.


For me, this episode will never be real. Unfortunately, I can't unsee what I saw, so while it does exist, I must respectfully use Avery Brooks' performance to phrase my feelings toward TATV.

"IT IS NOT REAL!"

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Eh, TATV is in there, mouldering away at the heart of canon like a tumour... for better or worse. It's a fuck up of an episode but I'd still take it over some of the bland offerings from Season 1.

 

[Sakonna]

Seems real enough to me.

Yeah, but it was all pretend, at least as represented within the episode. But yes, he does probably belong on the list.

I also realized that, despite the fact that I have not read the novels, I have absorbed their retcon that the TATV holoprogram contains historical inaccuracies, like Trip not actually dying in this way at this time. (At least I think that's what I read happened in the novels, maybe I mangled it)

Streaming Trek so loves to pick up details from the litverse, I hope this is one they manage to integrate someday. I would love for it to go from headcanon to real canon that the TATV holoprogram was a bunch of nonsense that didn't represent what really happened.

Anyway, no prior winner to mention for this list, as it's new.

Next game: "The Most Disliked Fifth Season Episode." Hope to see you all there!

MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, 2022
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, "Mercy"
Q: PIC, "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Admiral Husband
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok

TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
TAS, ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TOS: 2 wins
VOY: 4 wins
PIC: 5 wins
DS9, ENT, & DIS: 6 wins each
TNG: 7 wins

 

[Sakonna]

Oooohhhh, at the moment I posted the above wrap-up post, the number of views on this thread sits at 666. That fits for a thread about villains! Spooky.

 

[Oddish]

Which is completely reliant on the holoprogram being played with any sort of accuracy.

For instance, there is no way Hoshi and Travis would be an ensign after TEN years. Archer is not Janeway.

Your head canon mirrors mine. My theory is basically this:

Enterprise D holodeck, Stardate 47457. Enter Riker.

RIKER: "Computer, create a facsimile of the bridge of the Enterprise NX-01. Timeframe, 2161."

After a few beeps, the NX-01 bridge appears.

RIKER: "Add the following personnel to the bridge: Malcolm Reed, Hoshi Sato, and Travis Mayweather."

COMPUTER: "Warning. Listed personnel were not stationed on the Enterprise NX-01 in that timeframe. Indicated simulation will not be historically accurate."

RIKER: "Acknowledged. Assign them the ranks and bridge stations they held while serving."

Hoshi, Travis, and Reed appear at their 2155 ranks.

Eh, TATV is in there, mouldering away at the heart of canon like a tumour... for better or worse. It's a f*** up of an episode but I'd still take it over some of the bland offerings from Season 1.

I consider it an episode with the potential to be satisfactory. All they needed to do was:
1. Set it in 2155.
2. Not kill Trip. Or if they did, do it right.
3. Have it be a midseason episode, a perfect pretext to slip Jonathan Frakes into yet another Trek series.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

@Oddish

Agreed that there was zero reason to kill Trip. It serves no purpose at all and in the process achieves nothing but to create irritated feelings even all these years later.

 

[Oddish]

And it would have been plenty irritating even without Trip's death, I think.

 

[serdogthehound]

I consider it an episode with the potential to be satisfactory. All they needed to do was:
1. Set it in 2155.
2. Not kill Trip. Or if they did, do it right.
3. Have it be a midseason episode, a perfect pretext to slip Jonathan Frakes into yet another Trek series.

the issue with enterprise is that Demons/Terra Prime (or more particularly a two hour epi called Terra Prime) would have been a prefect ending crew focused moving forward to the federation but they didn't end it there