...and of course Captain Tracy has something to show the viewers in Omega Glory...
That's the one my old pal!
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The Most Disliked Episode of STAR TREK - Season 2...
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That's the one my old pal!
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The Apple was another episode that enjoyed taking a swipe at Spock for looking like the Devil! I can think of one more in season two, can you?
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OBS - - "thank pitchforks and pointed ears!!"
The Apple was another episode that enjoyed taking a swipe at Spock for looking like the Devil! I can think of one more in season two, can you?
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In-universe, I find Kirk's and McCoy's remark offensive. They are basically saying, we have some ridiculous ancient superstition and you happen to fit it somehow. People with the same kind of ridiculous reasoning IRL concluded that black people were evil because black and dark were associated with the devil in white people's mythology. I really thought that Kirk and McCoy sounded like a pair of imbeciles in that scene.
Twenty third century racist humour?
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Twenty third century racist humour?
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I don't know but mocking someone based on your own people's superstitions is pretty dumb in my opinion. What if Spock had come up with "coincidentally the Vulcan god of thieves, low-lives, and scammers looks just like a human being."
Or just a McCoy or Kirk lookalike? 
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I agree with this for the most part and never thought of it this way before. It was sort of dumb and although well acted by all three players, it was also not really particularly appropriate to have a Heh-Heh Ending after losing four security guards.
The Apple has all kinds of problems all through it for me, from the title implying that those people were in "paradise" straight to Spock being embarrassed to discuss mating, there's a lot that makes me not like it.
However, it has some interesting stuff in there, too. It's the main source of information that the saucer really can separate from the rest of the ship, the planet set seemed a bit better than some and they used it well, and there's more, but the dialogue high point for me is Spock's observation: "The good doctor was concerned that the Vaalians achieved true human stature. I submit there is no cause for worry. They've taken the first step. They've learned to kill."
However, it has some interesting stuff in there, too. It's the main source of information that the saucer really can separate from the rest of the ship, the planet set seemed a bit better than some and they used it well, and there's more, but the dialogue high point for me is Spock's observation: "The good doctor was concerned that the Vaalians achieved true human stature. I submit there is no cause for worry. They've taken the first step. They've learned to kill."
"The Apple" was, unfortunately, a product of its time with all the prejudices and oversimplifications linked to sexuality, to society and all. I mean these people don't have the first clue about what they need to do to survive. It took mankind on Earth millions of years to teach themselves the simplest of techniques that allowed them to upgrade from tree-dwelling scavengers to hunter-gatherer. It's insane to believe that these people could learn that in the short time it'll take them to starve to death!
I don't think the big rock did much to help with the villagers' survival; they seemed self-sufficient to me. Weather control was a power of Vaal, but seen as a defense mechanism, and possibly during an occasional spell of bad weather. Vaal depleted his power reserves and needed to be feed after weather control, so, it was probably rationed only for emergencies. If not, even though Vaal ate explosive rocks, after ten thousand years, the rock resources would be gone if he gulped it down. Spock said Vaal's reserves were not very big most likely balanced for steady state operations. Wrestling with a Starship depleted it in minutes. The biggest thing I see is the small size of the race. Even in early tribal societies, there was trade with other tribes for food/skins/wives which was important to survival.
Well, their small number is another reason to be concerned about their future. I've read once that an evolved species is considered in serious danger of extinction when there are fewer than a hundred specimens left, because of the danger of inbreeding themselves to death even if they manage to survive. I don't think I've seen more than a couple of dozens of these guys.
I know this wouldn't have happened/didn't happen but I'd have really enjoyed it when Vaal broke all of the villages fell right over like Chitari when their mothership is destroyed. We don't even know what those people were, I think they were grown from samples stored in Vaal. Without Vaal, they deactivate.
Now back to what would have happened, the Federation would have had a science team with a sociologist and several survey/terraforming specialists to help the people set up a government to their liking as well as a bunch of first wave colonists to establish the new colony, which is the only reason Kirk was assigned to go there. You don't think Starfleet had him go there just to walk around? He was sent to see what kind of threats to colonization were there and neutralized them, what indigenous population were there and open diplomatic relations to allow for the planet to join the Federation. Anyone who thinks those villagers were left alone because Kirk left just isn't paying attention. The ships with the teams would have been already on the way as Kirk and Bones were making fun of Spock's ears.
Now back to what would have happened, the Federation would have had a science team with a sociologist and several survey/terraforming specialists to help the people set up a government to their liking as well as a bunch of first wave colonists to establish the new colony, which is the only reason Kirk was assigned to go there. You don't think Starfleet had him go there just to walk around? He was sent to see what kind of threats to colonization were there and neutralized them, what indigenous population were there and open diplomatic relations to allow for the planet to join the Federation. Anyone who thinks those villagers were left alone because Kirk left just isn't paying attention. The ships with the teams would have been already on the way as Kirk and Bones were making fun of Spock's ears.
Costumes, makeup up, wigs and that papier mache Vaal probably killed the budget for this episode.
Looks like there was no prime directive, aka general order one, back then, otherwise, this would definitely be a violation of it.
The planet will still be their own. The Federation will just be helping them. Why no prime directive? The people were not in normal development, rather, slaves to an alien machine. Kill machine (check). Free people (check). Set up friendly planet for the Fed (check). Put on path of self-reliance (work in progress). I can see this as a Shore Leave planet, and it can be arranged such that all contact with the village people can be avoided.
Poor redshirt. His duty with Starfleet was abruptly terminated. 
You think that copper would conduct electricity better than iron.
You think that copper would conduct electricity better than iron.
Only when it's all in one place. The atoms of copper are separated from each other by other atoms and that changes completely their conductivity.
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