The Misterious Rooms....

[lookbehindyou]

Hey guys, I havent been here long, but i wanted to ask you guys something see if you know the answers or maybe direct me somewhere that does. See, im currently working on a project that involved the enterprise from TNG, and looking at the maps i have, the sections i wish to use arent labelled well (d'oh >.< ) or i cant find any information on what it is labelled :S
Anyhoo, here are the plans im using:
[image]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/spikevoz/deck11marked.jpg[/image]
This is deck 11 and as you can see (maybe.. it is quite small) there is no labelling on it.
[image]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/spikevoz/deck13-marked.jpg[/image]
And this is deck 13, which has labels i cant understand -.-im not a diehard star trek fan though i did like it as a child, so i looked up cetacean, and couldnt find anything of use.
If anyone would help i would be eternally grateful for any information or images you could provide

Thanks

 

[K-Star]

You want to know what Cetacean Ops is? That's where the dolphins are kept. (Yes, there are dolphins on the Enterprise-D. Geordi mentions them in "The Perfect Mate.")

*looks closer* Holy crap! They have alot more dolphins on that ship than I thought! Look at all the space there is for them! I'm guessing the semi-empty rooms (one of which is labeled Cetacean Navigation) with the small squiggles is full of water and fish and dolphins. That's amazing! *loves dolphins*

Thanks for sharing this! I would've never known where that section was located or how big it was if I hadn't seen that diagram!

 

[lookbehindyou]

oh... those are the dolphin rooms.... :O that may cause a few problems lol... thanks il prolly have to use my imagination for them then :P

 

[lookbehindyou]

oooooh and just incase yourinterested, though the cetacean ops never actually appeared in any of the shows, there is some cool concept art for it :
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Cetacean_Ops_%28concept_art%29.jpg
It looks like a very cool room :P

 

[K-Star]

I've seen that pic before. Very nice. Unfortunately that's not concept art for the one on the Enterprise-D (the description says it's for the refitted Enterprise in the first movie). Still awesome though.

 

[Mysterion]

K-Star said:
I've seen that pic before. Very nice. Unfortunately that's not concept art for the one on the Enterprise-D (the description says it's for the refitted Enterprise in the first movie). Still awesome though.

Try this one:

http://www.startrek-online.net/vgallery/showimage.php?i=35&c=5

This is meant to be on the Ent-D, and was designed by Probert for the ST Online Game.

 

[Laren]

They kept dolphins on the Enterprise?

Any particular reason for that?

 

[Mysterion]

Laren said:
They kept dolphins on the Enterprise?

Any particular reason for that?

The ST:TNG Technical Manual said they were part of a navigational research team. A couple of orca, and some dolphins if I recall correctly.

 

[Laren]

Mysterion said:

Laren said:
They kept dolphins on the Enterprise?

Any particular reason for that?

The ST:TNG Technical Manual said they were part of a navigational research team. A couple of orca, and some dolphins if I recall correctly.

Too bad they couldn't show us - would have been an awsome set!

 

[Mysterion]

Laren said:

Mysterion said:

Laren said:
They kept dolphins on the Enterprise?

Any particular reason for that?

The ST:TNG Technical Manual said they were part of a navigational research team. A couple of orca, and some dolphins if I recall correctly.

Too bad they couldn't show us - would have been an awsome set!

Definitely. And some interesting character possibilities. See Diane Duane's TNG novel "Dark Mirror" for a well-done dolphin character.

 

[Tralis]

Sentient, communicating dolphins? Wow... I'm glad they never went there.

 

[K-Star]

Mysterion said:

K-Star said:
I've seen that pic before. Very nice. Unfortunately that's not concept art for the one on the Enterprise-D (the description says it's for the refitted Enterprise in the first movie). Still awesome though.

Try this one:

http://www.startrek-online.net/vgallery/showimage.php?i=35&c=5

This is meant to be on the Ent-D, and was designed by Probert for the ST Online Game.

Oh WOW! That's so friggin cool! If I could ever visit the Enterprise-D, that's definitely one of the places I'd want to see the most. I might even throw reference to Cetacean Ops in one of my fanfics.

 

[Red Ranger]

Tralis said:
Sentient, communicating dolphins? Wow... I'm glad they never went there.

Would've been like "Flipper" in space! Hope they didn't train them to retrieve torpedos, or some dipshit thing like that! -- RR

 

[AdmiralGarak]

Y'know what would have been really cool? They could've had the dolphin talk thanks to a device created by the ship's resident boy genius, and the dolphin could have been best friends with the captain. Nah, wait. That's a dumb idea.

Porpoise physicists on the Enterprise? No thanks. However, it makes sense to have a section that can be filled with water given that we know there are sentient aquatic races.

 

[Timo]

No actual mention that the dolphins would have been sentient, really. Not in canon, at any rate.

But the Universal Translator should be able to read dolphinspeak regardless of sentience. Indeed, I'd think talking with your pet spaniel would become a fad once the UT became available. And ultimately, the UT might put an end to the practice of having pets in the first place...

(I'm also convinced there are UT junkies out there in the 24th century, turning the knobs to eleven in order to understand what the wind is saying to them...)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[TheSeeker]

^I don't know, I think a pretty strong argument can be made for dolphin's being sentient.

 

[Timo]

Or for sentience being a meaningless concept, except perhaps in the sense that everybody from clay to God's wise old grandmother has a bit of it, some have more than others, and some simply have different sort.

Certainly a dolphin that lacks the level of sentience to converse with a human on daily politics could still be a very useful addition to a starship's complement, if it indeed has the sort of exceptional 3D navigation skills that the Tech Manual quotes as the reason for the cetacean presence. They could be "crew" and "research consults" more in the sense a canary in a mine is than in the sense a human blueshirt Ensign is.

Just think how useful it would be today to have an expert canine policebeing, hooked to a UT unit that allows the officers to ask it for more specific tasks than the usual "follow this scent". The canine would be fully capable of performing for example a "choose the corridor that matches this scent, then point with paw without making a sound" task if the task could be adequately communicated to it... And it could also expand beyond that task, by telling the other police "no such scent here" against their false expectations, or even "I've smelled this before, ya know" or things like that. It's all in the communication, rather than the sheer brainpower.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[lookbehindyou]

Mysterion said:

K-Star said:
I've seen that pic before. Very nice. Unfortunately that's not concept art for the one on the Enterprise-D (the description says it's for the refitted Enterprise in the first movie). Still awesome though.

Try this one:

http://www.startrek-online.net/vgallery/showimage.php?i=35&c=5

This is meant to be on the Ent-D, and was designed by Probert for the ST Online Game.

Wow thankyou Thats great! I found out that the other floor is just crew quarters, so its a choice between the boring but easy, or the interesting but possibly much harder lol. Thanks loads guys, i wasnt expecting to start such a long debate :P

Just out of curiosity doest the enterprise have a whale room aswell? I cant quite remember but something to do with travelling back in time to get a whale to save the earth and carrying it round with them incase the 'whale alien' (lol XD erm.. bad name ) comes back and they need a whale quickly? or am i imagining things? :P

 

[TheSeeker]

^That was Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. In that case they were using a Klingon Bird of Prey.

 

[nil_jones]

It's been years, but I seem to remember a TNG novel where Geordi mentions to another aquatically-bound Engineer (I think...it's been many years) about the Dolphins helping with navigation AND warp field dynamics.

I think it was the Pocket TNG 'Dark Mirror' novel I believe. Please, I deserve to be corrected.