The merged and improved (?) KIC 8462852 thread

[Dryson]

God Silvercrest created himself, of course. God Silvercrest has always existed and always will exist!
Best watch out, or God Silvercrest will smite you for your disrespect! Mua-ha-ha!!!!

I think I've found my new signature.

Not possible and once again semantics. God could never have created itself and would had to have been created by something else. You lose because you cannot prove how you have quantified your own existence.

I seriously doubt that comets caused the dim of KIC because of the 2.5 to 5 day transits across KIC. It takes Earth around 13 hours to transit and Jupiter 33 hours to transit across our Sun. A 2.5 to five day transit would possibly put the objects somewhere at a distance of being between Jupiter and Neptune when compared to our solar system. If the cause of the dims of KIC were caused by a massive swarm of comets their transits would have to be closer to KIC where a cometary tail would form thus creating a glow due to the ionization of the gases within the cometary tail. Since there were no glow discovered then there was not a cometary tail formed which would put the objects in an orbit far enough away from KIC to not cause the tail to form. What is also interesting is that the dim at day 220 takes place again at day 1540, 1320 days apart. What’s even more interesting is that the dim at day 220 and 1540 are nearly identical meaning that the same object caused the dims to take place both times.

 

[Silvercrest]

Heresy! Smite him! An unbeliever!

In the comet theory, that is.

 

[{ Emilia }]

So let me get this straight, Dryson.

First you quote a website that is dedicated to paranormal stuff and fringe/esoteric science (yes, they actually admit that. That's what "Grenzwissenschaft" means.).

http://www.grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.de/astronomen-wollen-raetsel-um-kic-8462852-loese20160125n/

And then you demand others use reputable websites?

Show me proof anywhere in recorded history where the proof of a swarm of comets has dimmed a sun by 15% to 22% where the sun is the size of KIC. The proof cannot come from some off name website either. The proof has to come from a website such as NASA, Space.com or any other reputable site.

You have got to be kidding. I would greatly appreciate some consistency there.

 

[Gov Kodos]

So let me get this straight, Dryson.

First you quote a website that is dedicated to paranormal stuff and fringe/esoteric science (yes, they actually admit that. That's what "Grenzwissenschaft" means.).



And then you demand others use reputable websites?



You have got to be kidding. I would greatly appreciate some consistency there.

Language lessons. Inspired words from a woman who knows how to mod.

 

[scotthm]

If a cloud blocked the sun then all you would see would be a black area where the cloud was located that did not allow the sunlight to pass through.

If a cloud didn't block the sun then all you would see would be the sun and not the cloud.

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[Gov Kodos]

And the cloud which blocks the sun is not the finger which points.
You know, let's get zen about this.

 

[PurpleBuddha]

Not possible and once again semantics. God could never have created itself and would had to have been created by something else. You lose because you cannot prove how you have quantified your own existence.

Who are you to tell God Silvercrest what he can and cannot do?

 

[Silvercrest]

And the cloud which blocks the sun is not the finger which points.
You know, let's get zen about this.

Who are you to tell God Silvercrest what he can and cannot do?

Yes indeed! Who are ye to tell me? I am the mighty God Silvercrest! I am impressively mighty! Kneel before my impressive might! None can tell me what to do (except my wife)!

I am that I am that I am!

And I AM THE FINGER WHICH POINTS!

Don't ask me which finger, we'll get into that later.

 

[Dryson]

It's a cloudy day today yet there is still light and heat. Coming through the clouds. So clouds blocking out the sun is incorrect.

Also based on Silvercrest saying that the comet was massive means that if a cometary tail did form as the massive comet came closer to KIC and began to evaporate a massive cometary tail would have been detected because of the glow resulting in the interaction between the solar radiation and the comet.

So Silvercrest where was the cometary tail of this massive comet of yours? If your massive comet or any comet had caused the dim of KIC then it would had to have had a cometary tail.

No cometary tail was detected at all.

Its obvious that what caused the dim of KIC was not related to comets.

 

[Silvercrest]

Who said what again?

 

[RoJoHen]

It's a cloudy day today yet there is still light and heat. Coming through the clouds. So clouds blocking out the sun is incorrect.

That's because clouds aren't solid, but if a cloud suddenly passes in front of the sun, it gets darker outside. So yes, sunlight is being blocked by the cloud. This isn't even something we should be arguing about.

 

[scotthm]

It's a cloudy day today yet there is still light and heat. Coming through the clouds. So clouds blocking out the sun is incorrect.

A cloud could block 90% of the sun's light and still allow you to see pretty well.

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[Silvercrest]

If a cloud blocked the sun then all you would see would be a black area where the cloud was located that did not allow the sunlight to pass through.

A cloud could block 90% of the sun's light and still allow you to see pretty well.

... must ... resist ... obvious ... remark....

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Please borrow a light meter and do a simple experiment, Dryson.

 

[Dryson]

That's because clouds aren't solid, but if a cloud suddenly passes in front of the sun, it gets darker outside. So yes, sunlight is being blocked by the cloud. This isn't even something we should be arguing about.

No it would only get darker where the cloud passed in front of the Sun at and if your were standing directly under the cloud. Every other place would still receive the same amount of light.

 

[RoJoHen]

No it would only get darker where the cloud passed in front of the Sun

Right. Because the cloud is BLOCKING THE SUN.

 

[Dryson]

Right. Because the cloud is BLOCKING THE SUN.

You are basing what I posted to fit a factual reality you want proven.
If were directly underneath of the cloud and it caused the sun to dim in light has the cloud actually blocked the sun? No it hasn't. Because the cloud is not anywhere near a size that would be required to block the entire sun. The sunlight is being blocked and not the sun itself.

I were standing a few hundred feet away from the same cloud I would still see the same amount of sun light present and would only notice the shadow on the ground if I looked for it under the dark cloud.

Like I mentioned if the objects that had caused the dim of KIC had been a massive swarm of comets they would not have blocked any of the light from KIC out due to their small size. Since there was not a recorded glow of cometary tail debris then the objects, thought to be a swarm of comets, did not come close enough to KIC in order to form a cometary tail.

 

[Silvercrest]

You are basing what I posted to fit a factual reality you want proven.

That's right. These posts are supposed to be all about facts and reality. Eventually you'll need to start invoking one or the other.

The sunlight is being blocked and not the sun itself.

You wanna explain how there is a conceivable difference between those two things?

I am going to regret asking this.

 

[Dryson]

That's right. These posts are supposed to be all about facts and reality. Eventually you'll need to start invoking one or the other.


You wanna explain how there is a conceivable difference between those two things?

I am going to regret asking this.

http://optics.kulgun.net/Cloud-Colour/

Grey Clouds
Clouds can also look dark or gray. This can be caused a number of different ways. But it is also due to perception by our eyes. A light gray cloud on a bright white background will look much darker than the same cloud on a dark or black background, in which case it might look white and bright.

A cloud can look dark or gray because it is partially transparent and the blue sky behind it can be seen through the cloud. This will happen in light wispy clouds with little water content, and more often in ice crystal clouds. Ice crystal clouds can spread out more as the ice crystals last longer once they move out

of saturated air (air with 100% relative humidity) due to it taking longer for ice crystals to sublimate (change directly from ice to water vapor), than water drops to evaporate.

Its obvious that a comet wasn't present that caused the dim of KIC because the ice crystals would have caused the dim of KIC wouldn't they? But since there was not any glow recorded due to a cometary tail involving ice crystals then the dim of KIC was not caused by a large swarm of comets.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It's a cloudy day today yet there is still light and heat.

Less light and head than a cloudless day, however. In fact, if you have ever seen the sun through a very diffuse cloud, you probably observed a 22% dimming of the sun's brightness by that cloud.

Interesting, then, that the cloud is not 22% the size of the sun, nor 22% of its mass.

So clouds blocking out the sun is incorrect.

Are you an idiot?

Also based on Silvercrest saying that the comet was massive means that if a cometary tail did form as the massive comet came closer to KIC and began to evaporate a massive cometary tail would have been detected because of the glow resulting in the interaction between the solar radiation and the comet.

Kepler is not sensitive enough to detect structures that faint from this distance, so no.