The Matrix 4

[theenglish]

If that were the case, then I can believe the story is that Trinity can only continue to exist in the Matrix with her body kept on life support in a pod, or that is what they want Neo to believe.

As for how it expanded on the mythos of the first movie; I can't help be feel this is one of those cases of "less is more." The idea of Zion was a lot more interesting than the sweaty rave town it turned out to be.

I thought the look of Zion was one of the best visuals of the original movies--it defied expectations and really brought out the theme of the movies that we hadn't seen in the first movies-- that the people who resisted the Matrix were people who did not fit into the narrative of the "real world" the Matrix presented. Zion was filled with non-whites, and in a contemporary film it would also prominently portray a variety of genders/orientation. People who never believed they fit in the straight, white world of the Matrix.

And they want to live a different lifestyle. The rave, dance scene showing people in this grungy environment enjoying the movement of their real bodies along with the touch and feel of other real bodies. Made complete sense to me.

 

[Reverend]

I thought the look of Zion was one of the best visuals of the original movies--it defied expectations and really brought out the theme of the movies that we hadn't seen in the first movies-- that the people who resisted the Matrix were people who did not fit into the narrative of the "real world" the Matrix presented. Zion was filled with non-whites, and in a contemporary film it would also prominently portray a variety of genders/orientation. People who never believed they fit in the straight, white world of the Matrix.

And they want to live a different lifestyle. The rave, dance scene showing people in this grungy environment enjoying the movement of their real bodies along with the touch and feel of other real bodies. Made complete sense to me.

On paper I don't disagree with any particular point here. My problem was with the execution. It just didn't feel real or alive, which is kind of a problem when they're specifically supposed to be making a distinction between the real and the unreal. I don't know if it was any one thing from the camera work, the lighting, or the acting, or a combination of factors, but in the end it just felt like a bunch of actors milling around on a green screen. Lifeless.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Given that a much older Niobe shows, it's a sequel based off how Matrix Revolutions ended. I'm guessing the machines just plugged Neo back into the Matrix and somehow brought back Trinity, maybe even using her to keep Neo trapped.

It reminded me of what the Architect told Neo in the 2nd movie "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. THIS would be the 6th time we destroyed it. And we have become very exceedingly efficient at it."

The theme seemed to be about repetition and looping, Neo has been figured out through the Matrix plans as an anomaly; so every some odd year this fragment comes back in a different form who rejected the machines and their programing. They know he's returned because there's something that literally glitches the program like the cat seen in the 1st movie. The Matrix fights it until it can reboot itself, over and over and over again; its a vicious cycle the one and the machines keeps going in. The idea reminds me of a series of comic books written and created by Grant Morrison from Vertigo Comics called "THE INVISIBLES" Both properties are own by Warner Bros. but very interesting concept.
https://samagame.com/blog/en/everyt...from-the-invisibles-the-grant-morrison-comic/

https://catvincent.wordpress.com/20...-on-the-matrix-borrowing-from-the-invisibles/

 

[fireproof78]

On paper I don't disagree with any particular point here. My problem was with the execution. It just didn't feel real or alive, which is kind of a problem when they're specifically supposed to be making a distinction between the real and the unreal. I don't know if it was any one thing from the camera work, the lighting, or the acting, or a combination of factors, but in the end it just felt like a bunch of actors milling around on a green screen. Lifeless.

Same here. Watching Reloaded was a chore in terms of the world building, and Revolution made it more boring.

 

[theenglish]

The Matrix fights it until it can reboot itself, over and over and over again; its a vicious cycle the one and the machines keeps going in.

Back when the movies came out, I interpreted it as a version of Samsara--in fact, I thought by the third movie we were kind of being beaten over the head by it.

 

[Commander Troi]

I thought the look of Zion was one of the best visuals of the original movies--it defied expectations and really brought out the theme of the movies that we hadn't seen in the first movies-- that the people who resisted the Matrix were people who did not fit into the narrative of the "real world" the Matrix presented. Zion was filled with non-whites, and in a contemporary film it would also prominently portray a variety of genders/orientation. People who never believed they fit in the straight, white world of the Matrix.

And they want to live a different lifestyle. The rave, dance scene showing people in this grungy environment enjoying the movement of their real bodies along with the touch and feel of other real bodies. Made complete sense to me.

Same. I wanted to live there. Still do.

The idea reminds me of a series of comic books written and created by Grant Morrison from Vertigo Comics called "THE INVISIBLES" Both properties are own by Warner Bros. but very interesting concept.
https://samagame.com/blog/en/everyt...from-the-invisibles-the-grant-morrison-comic/

https://catvincent.wordpress.com/20...-on-the-matrix-borrowing-from-the-invisibles/

Interesting! They certainly came out of a certain late 90s counter-culture sensibility.

Now The Invisibles, THERE'S an unfilmable series!

 

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[fireproof78]

 

[Saul]

So I got tickets for this on Friday. Does someone want to make a review thread for it before the 17th? Don't want to step on anyone's toes by making my own.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I was driving yesterday and I heard an ad for the movie and the announcer said at the end, 'In theaters for a limited run only. See it on the big screen before it goes away'; does any know if this is getting a simultaneous big screen/streaming release? I haven't been paying attention.

 

[wayoung]

I was driving yesterday and I heard an ad for the movie and the announcer said at the end, 'In theaters for a limited run only. See it on the big screen before it goes away'; does any know if this is getting a simultaneous big screen/streaming release? I haven't been paying attention.

It's same day theatrical and digital in the US, like all of WB's releases this year. All movies are released to theatres for "a limited time only". Probably just marketing. I don't think there is anything else coming out very soon that would take it's screens. Morbius at the end of Jan is the next big block buster released that I can think of.

 

[NCC-73515]

So I got tickets for this on Friday. Does someone want to make a review thread for it before the 17th? Don't want to step on anyone's toes by making my own.

Just open it with a spoiler tag in the title

I was driving yesterday and I heard an ad for the movie and the announcer said at the end, 'In theaters for a limited run only. See it on the big screen before it goes away'; does any know if this is getting a simultaneous big screen/streaming release? I haven't been paying attention.

I'm leaning towards signing up to HBO max just to see it immediately and repeatedly and in slomo and frame by frame
Do they have a free month or week?

 

[thribs]

So I got tickets for this on Friday. Does someone want to make a review thread for it before the 17th? Don't want to step on anyone's toes by making my own.

What country has it on Friday?

 

[wayoung]

What country has it on Friday?

They are doing staggered early premiere releases around the world to build hype. Toronto opens tomorrow with Keanu & Carrie Ann, and regular fan's could get in by winning tickets.

Edit to add:. If you're in a major city follow your local radio stations web pages. Extra tickets to critic screenings (sometimes 2 weeks prior to general release) go to them, who then give them out to "listeners". When I was still loving in a city I'd "buy" them using points I gained by entering pass phrases said on the radio that others would collate on a Facebook page for people to submit.

 

[thribs]

Cool. Sadly I don’t think my city has any early releases.

 

[wayoung]

Cool. Sadly I don’t think my city has any early releases.

Since you replied while I was posting this here is my edit again, in case it is helpful

Edit to add:. If you're in a major city follow your local radio stations web pages. Extra tickets to critic screenings (sometimes 2 weeks prior to general release) go to them, who then give them out to "listeners". When I was still loving in a city I'd "buy" them using points I gained by entering pass phrases said on the radio that others would collate on a Facebook page for people to submit.

 

[Saul]

What country has it on Friday?

Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Russia and Japan all have it. Some places are doing road shows before a wide release the following week.

 

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I think we've hit new levels of meta here.

 

[JD]

I'm feeling lazy right now, so I don't feel like linking to any of the stories, but from what I've seen most early US critics' reactions are really positive, pretty much everyone seems to agree that it's at least better than Reloaded and Revolutions.

 

[theenglish]

I am trying to avoid the Spoilers, but I never believed that Neo left the Matrix in the original trilogy so I am still putting money on that.

I am also going to be interested if they do a Wes Craven's New Nightmare or King's Dark Tower thing.

Another element of the original movies I always that was overlooked was that the series was allegorical for the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu (Neo as Krishna), and Shiva (Smith).