The Master's fate

[Mr. Sin]

His fate (and that of the time lords) was sort of ambigious at The End Of Time.

One thing I think what could happen is that maybe he will take over Rassilon/Dalton's body. That's practically all the Master did in the 80s and 90s, after all (Take over bodies)....and Dalton could work out as a more traditional master. After all, he's been after Rassilon's stuff before, why not Rassilon himself? Also, the Master as lord president could be an interesting twist, as the Doctor has sort of semi-held the position in the classic series.


One thought I had. The destruction of Gallifrey presumabely happens shortly after the events we saw in End of Time, with the time lock not actually being the destruction. However, the Master is now in the time war's final day, and could possibly alter it's outcome. And the key out of the time lock? The mysterious Time lady. In fact, I could swear as the image starts to blur, it looks like he's grabbing her.

 

[Captain Pike]

I blame The Keeper of Traken for all this body snatching business...

 

[Mr. Sin]

Funny thing about the end of TDA is that the Master looks different in the face shot, implying that he absorbed enough Eye of Harmony stuff to sucessfully start regenerating. Although he does look a little less decayed in Keeper of Traaken.

 

[Psion]

The Master redeemed himself in The End of Time. He also knows what caused his madness. While I'm sure he'll be back eventually, I hope his morality is a bit more ambiguous when he does show up. I'd rather see his character evolve beyond a simple villain into something more three dimensional.

 

[DimesDan]

The Master redeemed himself in The End of Time. He also knows what caused his madness. While I'm sure he'll be back eventually, I hope his morality is a bit more ambiguous when he does show up. I'd rather see his character evolve beyond a simple villain into something more three dimensional.

He took vengeance on the Time Lords, no more no less, he didn't redeem himself and he's still pretty two dimensional for it.

 

[Kansa]

The Master redeemed himself in The End of Time. He also knows what caused his madness. While I'm sure he'll be back eventually, I hope his morality is a bit more ambiguous when he does show up. I'd rather see his character evolve beyond a simple villain into something more three dimensional.

He took vengeance on the Time Lords, no more no less, he didn't redeem himself and he's still pretty two dimensional for it.

Well yeah he could have just let the doctor die and let the time lords go back to the time war for his revenge

 

[Joy]

I want this only because the idea of Timothy Dalton as the Master to Matt Smith's Doctor would be EPIC.

Well, really, it would be epic just simply having Timothy Dalton as the Master.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Reality check: The Master only ever stole bodies twice: The Keeper of Traken (1980) and The Movie aka The Enemy Within (1996). Hardly the only thing The Master ever did and he certainly didn't do it on a regular basis.

As for The Master's fate at the end of "The End of Time," I don't see any reason or proof to believe he took over Rassilon's (or anyone else's) body. I'm certain he's stuck wherever and whenever Gallifrey and the Time Lords are but we haven't seen the last of him. And he doesn't even have to return with the Time Lords. I'm sure there's a way to have just him return.

 

[Marc]

Reality check: The Master only ever stole bodies twice: The Keeper of Traken (1980) and The Movie aka The Enemy Within (1996). Hardly the only thing The Master ever did and he certainly didn't do it on a regular basis.

I can't remeber where I read it, but I recall a reference to the Master eventually having to change bodies as the old one wore out.

He's not transfering into the bodies with a Gallifreyan physiology, there's no respitarory by-pass, there's no twin hearts there's no centuries long life life spans.

Survival was the last time prior to the Sound Of Drums that we saw the master in a humanoid body. We don't how many times he changed.

And he had to do it a least a third time in order to go through the Chameleon Arch to change in to Dr Yana.

 

[jbny67]

And he had to do it a least a third time in order to go through the Chameleon Arch to change in to Dr Yana.

The body he was in when he used the Chameleon Arch was not from a body transference. That body was created, somehow, when the Time Lords resurrected him during the time war.

 

[QCzar]

^
I really hope the Time Lords don't "return". They're ponderous, haughty and immensely dreary. Though Rassilon and the Time Lords Returned turned out to be Class A assholes (understandable, I guess), I'm glad they didn't feature the usual insomnia-curing, plodding pompousness (mostly...they still had to have a "meeting" before getting on with the genocide**).

If they became a fixture again, they'd have to eventually go back to academies and castellans and councilors and other fun Time Lord politics. Pure, paint-drying excitement. Anything else would (sadly) be a massive contradiction to everything that has been established about them. The general trope rule when it comes to "Wise and Ancient" aliens (the Time Lords, the Ancients, the Prophets, etc.)* is that the more you see them, the less interesting they become.

Best to just stick to The Doctor and The Master. I think that dynamic works best. And maybe find out what happened to Jenny and Romana (I've wondered if the Mysterious Time Lady was her...but I hope not). And that's it.

* = I know it's way off topic, but the similarity of these races begs the question: Has there ever actually been a mystical, ancient super-race in film or television that hasn't turned out to be languid and vainglorious once scrutinized?

** = Why DID Rassilon change the Master copies back to humans if a) the Master couldn't stop his plan (he would have thought) and b) he was going to destroy the Earth anyway? For shits and giggles?

 

[Marc]

^

** = Why DID Rassilon change the Master copies back to humans if a) the Master couldn't stop his plan (he would have thought) and b) he was going to destroy the Earth anyway? For shits and giggles?

for shits n giggles?

But I think he was more to put the The Master back in his place buy showing that what ever he did, Rassilon and the Timelords could undo.

 

[Cuhl]

One thing I think what could happen is that maybe he will take over Rassilon/Dalton's body...and Dalton could work out as a more traditional master.

Ooh, I like that idea. The current Master is a little too manic and off-the-wall to suit me, but I can easily imagine Dalton as a suave, Delgado-esque Master. Of course, if there's some way they could get Derek Jacobi back, that would be fine with me, too.

 

[Candlelight]

The destruction of Gallifrey presumabely happens shortly after the events we saw in End of Time, with the time lock not actually being the destruction. However, the Master is now in the time war's final day, and could possibly alter it's outcome. And the key out of the time lock? The mysterious Time lady. In fact, I could swear as the image starts to blur, it looks like he's grabbing her.

What is the definitive story for Gallifrey? Is the whole planet destroyed or just laid to waste? Or do we not know the final end for it as it's stuck in the time lock?

Did the Master's return (as mentioned above) alter "history"? Did Dalek Caan's interference and removal of Davros play a vital role too?

One question I have - in the brief few minutes Gallifrey was present in our solar system, were Time Lords able to get into their own Tardis's (Tardi?) and escape? Or was the planet locked still and only the "bridge" Dalton and co used to cross over the only way out?

Would be material for future stories...

 

[Tom]

It is too easy for the master to return. He had 6 billion clones, he could have isolated one of them somewhere, protecting him just in case the template was reversed (as it was by Rasilon). Also, the Master had a day or more access to the Immortality gate, who knows what he could have done as a contingency plan.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

I'm wondering if The Master will continue being completely insane-evil. I think it would be fun if he became sort of an anti-hero; sort of like Tennant almost became in his last few specials -- a Doctor who was bound by no rules or ethics but his own. Like the Master could see himself as being a benevolent master, going through the universe solving his people's problems for them and turning a blind eye to the collateral damage along the way.

The Master: "I thought you'd be proud of me. I'm saving a planet!"
The Doctor: "You're destroying a galaxy in the process!"
The Master: "It's the little things in life, Doctor."

 

[QCzar]

What is the definitive story for Gallifrey? Is the whole planet destroyed or just laid to waste? Or do we not know the final end for it as it's stuck in the time lock?

Did the Master's return (as mentioned above) alter "history"? Did Dalek Caan's interference and removal of Davros play a vital role too?

One question I have - in the brief few minutes Gallifrey was present in our solar system, were Time Lords able to get into their own Tardis's (Tardi?) and escape? Or was the planet locked still and only the "bridge" Dalton and co used to cross over the only way out?

Would be material for future stories...

^I got the feeling that the bridge was the only way in. Even if that was not the case, I doubt the Time Lords were in any condition to try anything like that, given the state of the Time War (one day out from utter oblivion) and Gallifrey (it looked almost as if it was ready to blow up right there). And if it was so easy to escape, some would have presumably done it during the Time War.

Man, I really don't want to see any more Time Lords, really. The ones that are already established in the new series (Doctor, Master, Jenny) are more than enough*. The new series has really established the relative isolation of the Doctor (as a Time Lord) as fundamental to the character's arc. A bunch of other Time Lords sneaking around would dull this, IMO (yes, even the Valeyard).

Anyway, we've seen how they've handled the supposedly extinct Daleks, so considering the Master's chicanery and scheming anything's possible I guess. Same with other Time Lords (argh).

* = I confess I do want to know what's going on with Romana.

 

[Candlelight]

I would like to know the fate of Susan.

 

[Cuhl]

* = I confess I do want to know what's going on with Romana.

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[Photoman15]

The Master redeemed himself in The End of Time. He also knows what caused his madness. While I'm sure he'll be back eventually, I hope his morality is a bit more ambiguous when he does show up. I'd rather see his character evolve beyond a simple villain into something more three dimensional.

He took vengeance on the Time Lords, no more no less, he didn't redeem himself and he's still pretty two dimensional for it.

No, he saved The Doctor (or so he thought), Earth and Time. Part of the story of this 2 parter was the redemption of the Master. He condemned himself to being trapped in the Time War and it's conclusion knowing he would share his fate with that of the Time Lords. (besides any other of "our" reasoning that he was redeemed, when he said, "Get out of the way", they started playing "redemption music" .