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The Maquis

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In this 2 part episode, I heard it mentioned at least twice that the people who were living in the DMZ were Federation citizens. From the episode Journey's End on TNG, it seemed liked they were giving up their Federation citizenship when Picard came up with the plan that they would be allowed to remain on the planets under Cardassian rule. Didn't Picard say something like "Requests for help would fall on deaf ears".
 
...The people of Dorvan V, from "Journey's End", seemed to have nothing to do with either the DMZ or the Maquis movement. There simply were many different fates in that contested area of space, and we soon ceased to hear of most of them. It's just that the Maquis made so much noise that they didn't go unheard.

Indeed, they made so much noise that soon enough, Sisko and Starfleet began calling everybody living in the DMZ a "Maquis" and indeed the very planets "Maquis planets"! Way to go, Eddington!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Is there a question you have?
In case I wasn't clear in my wording. First didn't the deal that Picard helped set up for the people of Dorvan to stay there (under Cardassian rule) also cover other colonists in that region who wanted to stay?

Tell me if I'm remembering it right that he said "Requests for help will fall on deaf ears". And if it was mentioned that other people settled in that region wished to stay and would agree to live as colonists on Cardassian ruled planets.

To me that sounds like they gave up their rights as Federation citizens in order to not have to leave their homes. And that's why both the Federation and the Cardassians saw them as terrorists. But in the 2 part episode about the Maquis they are referred to as Federation citizens. If they were still citizens, wouldn't the Federation still be required to defend them if the Cardassians attacked them.
 
"Journey's End" clearly established that it was those colonists' idea to live in the DMZ under Cardassian rule. It didn't mention anything about citizenship, though.
 
I can't remember every detail of these episodes but I'd imagine there are two things at play here.

The DMZ is a distinct strp of territory where perhaps a certain percentage is administered by the Feds and a certain % by the Cardassians. Colonists in the DMZ get to keep their respective citizenships .

(That's what distinguishes a DMZ and a "Neutral Zone". A Neutral Zone is governed by no power and is non-aligned territory)

Probably a handful of colonies though wind up in Cardassian space outright but outside the DMZ following border readjustments. These guys are subject to a general evacuation order but if they chose to dig themselves in, they lose their citizenship because a securitycentric surveillance state like Cardassia just cannot abide dual citizens

Btw, the Maquis episodes are a brace of cracking episodes.
 
Journey's End was a deal specifically for that colony on that planet.
Thank you.

I pulled up both episodes on Netflix last night. In Journey's End, Picard tells the leader of Dorvan 5, "You will be giving up your status as Federation citizens, and further requests for help will go unanswered". But since, like you said it was only a deal for that colony, it would explain why the Maquis are still being referred to as Federation citizens in Pre-emptive Strike and in The Maquis on DS9.
 
First didn't the deal that Picard helped set up for the people of Dorvan to stay there (under Cardassian rule) also cover other colonists in that region who wanted to stay?

No. The decision the colonists made was such an unexpected and unlikely one that Picard would hardly have even considered extending the offer to any other colony. Certainly no mention was made of any other colony choosing to become a Cardassian possession. Most probably opted for evacuation, or then stayed put but on the UFP side of the border.

To me that sounds like they gave up their rights as Federation citizens in order to not have to leave their homes.And that's why both the Federation and the Cardassians saw them as terrorists.

No dweller of Dorvan V was ever considered a terrorist by the Feds or the Cardassians, that we'd know of. The terrorists came from elsewhere; most came from planets belonging to the UFP but existing inside the DMZ where the UFP was forbidden from providing military aid to the UFP planets in question. Whether the DMZ even existed at the time Picard made the deal with Dorvan V is unknown; possibly it was created as an "alternative way out" after the events. (The writers only invented it for DS9, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been invented earlier on in-universe!)

As explicated in the last Maquis episode, "Blaze of Glory", the Maquis never gave up their rights as Federation citizens. They were planning on declaring independence (which would have had this legal-practical result), but they never worked up the courage to do that before the Dominion squashed them. So for their entire history, they remained UFP citizens guilty of crimes against the UFP. And of course against the Cardassian Union, which may be a crime under UFP law, too, even if Starfleet secretly wanted to give 'em medals for it!

If they were still citizens, wouldn't the Federation still be required to defend them if the Cardassians attacked them.

No doubt the treaty about the DMZ had clauses saying that if the Cardassians attacked first, the UFP could retaliate. But the Cardassians never did attack - they only did underhanded villainy where "rogue individuals" rather than the Union attacked the UFP settlers inside the DMZ. And there the DMZ treaty explicitly forbade the UFP from sending military aid.

It was only much later, when the Dominion entered the picture, that there was an open military attack against the Maquis (and the non-Maquis settlers sharing their planets with the Maquis). The DMZ ceased to exist then, legally and practically. But there was nothing Starfleet could do at that point, as the Dominion military was the superior one.

Ironically, there was an open military attack against the Maquis by Starfleet, in "For the Uniform", made possible by the sudden weakening of the Cardassian Union. Whether the Cardassians filed a complaint is not told; they readily agreed to certain practical arrangements after the fact, though.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I wonder how the Dominion dealt with the Dorvan V colonists. It's not hard to imagine the Jem'Hadar arriving to scare the crap out of them.
 
Dorvan V might have been the only planet to survive the Dominion purge.

Come to think of it, it makes sense in the light of other Dominion tactics that they wouldn't have attacked Dorvan V. The Dominion likes to demonstrate to others that planets that don't resist don't get hurt, and planets that resist even a little get horribly wiped out.
 
I remember this being an issue in the Nitpickers Guide to DS9 and Phil just chalked it up to being a changed premise.
 
I remember this being an issue in the Nitpickers Guide to DS9 and Phil just chalked it up to being a changed premise.
By "this", do you mean my original question?

Was Chakotay from Dorvan 5? Or was that just something from Trek Lit. and not in actual canon?
 
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The Maquis were DMZ colonists, organized by Federation citizens and ex-Starfleet with personal ties to the region; but they were not just Federation Citizens. For example, they had Bajorans in their ranks, ex-resistance types. They also had Klingons, Bolians, Vulcans, and others. The Maquis were driving toward nation status; but some of them may have just been mercenaries - Klingons, for example. The colonists were formerly under Federation protection, but they were not all necessarily Fed citizens. No doubt they also included many Bajorans. The Fed pulled out and left them stateless as planets; but not necessarily as individuals.

DS9 was a great show but really took issue with convention.
 
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I remember Gul Evek telling those on Dorvan V, "If you leave us alone, I suspect we will do the same.". So, he didn't put them in the same category as the Maquis.
 
At the time of that episode the Maquis didn't exist yet.

It aired three weeks before The Maquis though, so they must have compared notes by the time they wrote the episode.

TNG wouldn't have done a story in DS9's backyard if they didn't intend to establish something to be used in DS9.
 
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Do you have stardates for the respective episodes? Just because they aired three weeks apart doesn't mean they occurred three weeks apart in-universe.
 
There are no stardates in "The Maquis", either part. Indeed, the entire latter third of Season 2 is free of stardates, either spoken references or random computer display glimpses. It is only in the penultimate "Tribunal" that we get a stardate, 47944, and that's three full episodes after the Maquis story. The other bracket would be from "Shadowplay", at 47603 and again three full stories before the Maquis one.

"Preemptive Strike" is very close to the end of the stardate year, at 47941. It sounds very unlikely for "The Maquis" to have happened just 4 stardates before "Tribunal", so there was plenty of time for the Maquis to become established before they made their first TNG appearance.

The Fed pulled out and left them stateless as planets

Describing it in those terms is a bit misleading. The UFP never "was there" in any substantial force - frontier colonies in Trek appear to fend for themselves regardless of the circumstances. There was a Starfleet liaison officer at the DMZ, and he promptly went native. But no actual "pulling out" took place, either in terms of Starfleet retreating (since Starfleet wasn't there to begin with) or the UFP withdrawing claims (because all the planets officially remained part of the UFP even after being renamed "Maquis planets", their colonists remaining under Sisko's jurisdiction).

...but they were not just Federation Citizens. For example, they had Bajorans in their ranks, ex-resistance types. They also had Klingons, Bolians, Vulcans, and others.

That's an interesting question indeed - would those Bajorans be UFP citizens or not? Was Ensign Ro, and if not, does Starfleet often admit personnel who don't have a UFP passport? Also, how many non-UFP Vulcans or Bolians are there?

Citizenship might not be a huge issue overall, as Kirk treated UFP subjects, counterculture separatists and utter aliens with equal contempt. Also, Chakotay's troupe was quite multicultural or at least multispecies yet treated homogeneously by Janeway (and, in some alternate futures, by Starfleet and the UFP). Because all were UFP subjects? Because citizenship did not matter?

Timo Saloniemi
 
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