The Maple Leaf Lounge

[Owain Taggart]

Winning.... yeah right. And I have a bridge to sell them. But yeah, just because some of the restrictions are are being lifted doesn't mean the protesters had any effect whatsoever. I figured something like this would happen though. Best not to give them any credit.

 

[Marc]

Winning.... yeah right. And I have a bridge to sell them. But yeah, just because some of the restrictions are are being lifted doesn't mean the protesters had any effect whatsoever. I figured something like this would happen though. Best not to give them any credit.

and the tories need to get a clue.

jumping up and down in the commons about the emergencies act and saying we don't need it because authorities have it hand.

Yet until the liberals invoked it, nothing happened wrt to clearing the turds out of Ottawa.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, that's exactly it. The emergencies act was needed because of the lack of power in being able to do the things to let the police get things in hand. It's also why it took so long to get anything to happen.

 

[Marc]

Seems they’ve a real bright bunch. Claiming they haven’t been read their Miranda rights and their protest is a 1st amendment right.

 

[Avro Arrow]

wow they must be on something strong at fox news.

Fox kinda exists in their own world...

Seems they’ve a real bright bunch. Claiming they haven’t been read their Miranda rights and their protest is a 1st amendment right.

That was bizarre hearing things like that relayed on the news. I can only assume that must either mean that the protesters in question were American, in which case you should probably go protest in your own country, or they were Canadian but really need to lay off the Fox News rhetoric, and maybe take a Canadian civics lesson or two.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, I've seen some truly oddball stuff come out of Fox news regarding this. One of them were statements encouraging a full-scale invasion of Canada to free Canadians from oppression and tyranny.... Like come on, man. We were totally fine before the protesters arrived. Do we look like an oppressed nation? Hell no!

And first-amendment rights? Do they realize which Country they're in?

 

[Marc]

so kenney has announced that Alberta is going to sue the feds over the Emergency Act.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-emergencies-act-twitter-1.6358480

but his govt also asked the feds for help with the Coutts Crossing blockade.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-coutts-ottawa-ric-mciver-blockade-mendicino-1.6358520

good thing kenney has a double standard or he'd have no standard.

 

[DEWLine]

My opinion: hypocrisy is sacred practice to right-wing reactionaries like Kenney. They'll use it to torment everyone who doesn't want to be hypocritical but ends up doing it anyway, which amounts to a lot of the rest of us humans.

In addition: I see on various Twitter accounts the legit concerns over the Emergencies Act being invoked playing out, demands to follow through properly on following the money backing the Convoy Crowd back to its sources, a desire on the part of people living in the affected neighbourhoods to sleep for a week...literally in some peoples' preferences.

 

[Marc]

My opinion: hypocrisy is sacred practice to right-wing reactionaries like Kenney. They'll use it to torment everyone who doesn't want to be hypocritical but ends up doing it anyway, which amounts to a lot of the rest of us humans.

kenney was also bleating about foreign money flowing to anti-oil patch environmental groups to the point where he pissed way millions in an inquiry into the issue (which came back with sweat FA).

 

[Owain Taggart]

In addition: I see on various Twitter accounts the legit concerns over the Emergencies Act being invoked playing out, demands to follow through properly on following the money backing the Convoy Crowd back to its sources, a desire on the part of people living in the affected neighbourhoods to sleep for a week...literally in some peoples' preferences.

Well, something had to be done whether it was the Emergency Act or not. It was no longer a simple protest, but an unreasonable immobilization upon the city. Other thing is, it wasn't just about what was happening in Ottawa, but at the borders in Alberta and near Detroit, and there was also weekend protests happening in Edmonton. And I don't think anyone likes hearing about foreign funds being used to fuel these protests, let alone Republicans who think they know what's best for Canada.

 

[DEWLine]

@Owain Taggart: Victoria, Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, North Portal (Saskatchewan), Emerson (Manitoba), Winnipeg, Sarnia (Ontario), Montréal, Ville de Québec, Fredericton, Halifax, Charlottetown, St. John's...I think the territorial capitals were the only ones not affected, but don't quote me on that without confirmation.

@Marc: Kenney was likely projecting, because he was benefiting from "foreign money" in some way.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Ahh, wow, I didn't realize that many more were affected. So yeah, it does feel like there was a concerted effort for a major presence. This makes the use of the Emergency Act much clearer. Very much a national crisis that needed to be dealt with.

 

[Marc]

Story did the rounds over the weekend that female protestor was killed after being trampled by a police horse.

It was denied at the time by authorities but of course when the through the right-wing channels like wild fire.

Well it turns out the story was fabricated by a fox news contributor.

And remember this was believe by people who claim the mainstream media is lying to them and believe what comes across their social media feeds.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-n...bout-canadian-woman-being-trampled?ref=scroll

Couldn't see a link up but comment from my mother-in-law after watching CTV Barrie news, there are 60 trucks waiting in field ready to head to Ottawa if the emergency act doesn't pass.

If that happened the tories would end up with major egg on their face plus being in a real pickle because the liberals declared this bill to be one of confidence (global news tonight)

There's mutterings about it from the far left of the ndp but there should be enough votes to get it through. they wouldn't want an election any more than the tories would
(I could imaging that going into an election without a permanent leader would be rather disastrous).

 

[Owain Taggart]

Not surprised that it was fabricated. And by Fox News no less? Geez man, kind of wish they'd stop interfering in foreign politics. The other side of the story is that protesters were throwing things at the horses. Like for instance, I'd be far more concerned about the person who threw a bicycle at a horse. I mean, who does that? Heard the story about the trucks in a field too, but not about them ready to head out to Ottawa in case it didn't pass. They should have gotten the message by now though. If not, how ignorant could they be?

Oh and btw, the act did pass the vote.

 

[Avro Arrow]

So Conservative senator Michael MacDonald of Nova Scotia was caught on camera last week giving support to the occupiers while at the same time insulting the people of Ottawa (and his own wife!).

Video here (note: NSFW language): https://twitter.com/LindsayHunter1/status/1495453375722315780

So today he read his official apology in the senate. Almost the first thing out of his mouth was to say that he only agreed to talk to the person if it was not recorded, and he hadn't realized the person recorded him anyway. So it's not what you said that's the problem, it was the fact it was made public? Got it.

Then he goes on to say that he left the "impression" that he supported the illegally parked trucks, and his insulting of the people of Ottawa was due to "mangled remarks" and "clumsy language", and he didn't really mean to disparage anyone. No, no, of course not. What he was trying to say was that Canadians should be more empathetic to people without income security.

Spin, spin, spin.

Video of the apology is here: https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2387885

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, that's quite a mess... Shall we count down the days he lasts until he's forced to resign? Although there's been a lot of right-wing rhetoric going on, so it wouldn't surprise me if they twisted his words to make him sound worse. The protesters have been doing anything to make themselves look like they're on the winning side, including twisting the truth to make the other side look bad.

 

[Marc]

Well, that's quite a mess... Shall we count down the days he lasts until he's forced to resign?

if he was an outlier in the party with his attitudes he might get turfed by given the attitude of many within the party he's just as likely to be rewarded by the leadership.

An Ontario judge has refused to grant tamara lich bail saying he doesn't believe she will follow the conditions and poses a danger to the public.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fe...rotest-organizer-tamara-lich-denied-bail.html

Ontario Court Justice Julie Bourgeois ruled Tuesday morning that Lich poses a “substantial likelihood” of re-offending and placing public safety at risk if she is released on bail. Bourgeois also concluded Lich’s continued detention is necessary to preserve public confidence in the justice system.

Bourgeois noted Lich repeatedly urged convoy demonstrators to “hold the line” during their occupation around Parliament Hill, and stressed the severity of the accusation against her that could result in a “lengthy” prison sentence.

“I am satisfied there is evidence that your actions and participation in this offending behaviour had the result of causing or contributing to the serious impact on the physical, mental and financial health and well-being of our community,” Bourgeois told Lich in an Ottawa courtroom Tuesday morning.

“You are certainly facing a potentially lengthy term of imprisonment.”

Throughout her decision, Bourgeois also raised questions about Lich’s credibility, in light of her testimony during her bail hearing on Saturday.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Ha! Good on the judge!

 

[Avro Arrow]

From the files of "things you can't believe actually have to happen, but apparently they do"...

So, it's been swirling around the social media-sphere that if the Governor General's general information inbox receives 958,000 emails (why that number and not an even million, I have no idea) with the subject line "Non Confidence Vote" and your name and province in the body, then the GG can remove the sitting Prime Minister from power.

So the GG's office must have gotten tired of the resultant flood of spam, because they actually had to issue an official statement tonight to remind Canadians that there is no constitutional process to remove the Prime Minister by contacting the GG's office.

Between this and the "Miranda rights" / "First Amendment Rights" thing that @Marc mentioned earlier... it just scares me how little some Canadians seem to know about how this country actually operates.

 

[Marc]

So, it's been swirling around the social media-sphere that if the Governor General's general information inbox receives 958,000 emails (why that number and not an even million, I have no idea) with the subject line "Non Confidence Vote" and your name and province in the body, then the GG can remove the sitting Prime Minister from power.

somebody's been buying some bots me thinks.