Spoilers The Mandalorian season 2 discussion

[Xerxes82]

Now I’m trying to noodle through who might do a decent job of a live action Thrawn. Michael Fassbender immediately comes to mind but then I pull back. I am at a serious loss as to who would have the gravitas to leverage that role. John Hamm maybe... I don’t know yet...

Lars Mikkelson. He did Thrawn's voice in Rebels, and I think if we colored him blue he'd look the part. No guarantees, given the situation with Ahsoka's casting, but I think it's more likely with Thrawn.

Now, if they go another way, or Mikkelson says no, then things get interesting. But as long as they get someone who can do the role justice, I really don't care. Casting has been pretty on point for this project so far (and even for the ST, wasted as several of them were).

It would be a huge mistake for this show to delve any deeper into obscure characters or to pick up storylines from animation. While Bo-Katan and Ahsoka are great for super fans, this show should NOT be a sequel series to the animated shows.

This show has a very broad fan base of SW die hards and more casual viewers. Everyone can get on board with a cute "baby yoda", but if they keep taking deep dives and resurrecting what are basically EU characters, it's just going to confuse and alienate those casual viewers.

Plus this show desperately needs its own identity and needs to keep building up its own roster of recurring characters instead of leaning on other parts of the franchise.

Let's hope the Thrawn shoutout was just for the fans and that the character isn't going to appear. We just don't need it.

Yeah, because all those obscure characters and deep lore dives have hurt the MCU so badly. Star-Lord? Ant-Man? Rocket Raccoon? Freaking Ego the Living Planet?

Same rules apply. Make it relevant, make it cool, and people won't care where it comes from, or what it's been used in before. You are vastly underestimating the average viewer, and overstating how much they will care as long as the show they are currently watching is fun and/or good.

 

[thribs]

Why? Shouldn’t Luke be in the process of having his Jedi Academy open at this point?

I had this idea that he would act like Yoda from Empire. He would hang around him but not revealing who he truly is until he’s got a good read on him.

 

[JD]

It would be a huge mistake for this show to delve any deeper into obscure characters or to pick up storylines from animation. While Bo-Katan and Ahsoka are great for super fans, this show should NOT be a sequel series to the animated shows.

This show has a very broad fan base of SW die hards and more casual viewers. Everyone can get on board with a cute "baby yoda", but if they keep taking deep dives and resurrecting what are basically EU characters, it's just going to confuse and alienate those casual viewers.

Plus this show desperately needs its own identity and needs to keep building up its own roster of recurring characters instead of leaning on other parts of the franchise.

Let's hope the Thrawn shoutout was just for the fans and that the character isn't going to appear. We just don't need it.

I've got to disagree with you here, I think the way they've been handling the Clone Wars and Rebels characters has been perfect. They are giving plenty of context for the people who haven't seen the earlier shows to understand who they are, all you really need to know about them is right there, but at the same time they are continuing their arcs for those of us who followed the animated series. You don't really need to know all of Bo-Katan's history to follow The Heiress, all you need know is that she is a Mandalorian from a different group from Din, and that's exactly what we see in the episode. All of the stuff about her and her sister, and her history with Death Watch, and the Darksaber, are nice bits of backstory, but aren't necessary to follow her story in the episode. There was the bit about her searching for Gideon and the Darksaber, but that was such a minor part of the episode that I can't really see it really bothering people who aren't familiar with her history. All they needed to know is that she has a reason to be after Gideon, the whole backstory isn't that important.
And for The Jedi, all we need to know about Ahsoka is that she was a Jedi. All of the stuff with Anakin, and her time as Fulcrum, and her search for Thrawn and Ezra are just nice bits of backstory, but aren't necessary to follow her story in the episode. There was the Thrawn reference, but I don't think that would really bother people, it's pretty clear from context alone that this is someone she has history with, the details of that history really aren't important to the episode.

 

[thribs]

Luke and Ashoka better meet now or there would be a riot.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ahsoka's montrals (head tails) were shortened from her Rebels appearence to accommodate the stunt acting.
https://twitter.com/brianmatyasart/status/1332426506480406530

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah they definitely weren’t as pronounced as they should have been on an adult Togruta. Not a big deal, her look was pretty well done and loved the saberwork.

 

[wayoung]

Grogoo? egh, I can live with it.. And kind of dispensed with the Yoda clone rumors to, as he was in the Younglings during the war.. And doing like Kanan and hiding his abilities, but to no avail.

And Thrawn? So there still looking after 9 years? Interesting. So it "kind of" sets up a Thrawn trilogy type of thing going on, with Ezra as that looney jedi? Shall see, rather it be based in the unknown regions..

I think she did pretty good, Still rather animation because they can show more acrobatics etc. but thats my opinion.and was slightly unbelievable that the Mageistrate could keep up with Ashoka in combat. And learned Beskar is a definse against lazer swords.

As for Luke, they could use Sebatian Stan.. Mark has even said he would like him to be a reboot version of him. So we'll see.

As for the discussion on toy guns, Remember Al Powell in Die hard back in the mid 80's saying he mistakenly shot a kid because he had a ray gun in the dark. So it hasn't been a "New" thing. Cops have to make split second decisions because there life is on the line. Real world, Mistakes happen, and the cop wants to go home to there family in one piece as well.

This is kind of why toys are brightly colored or have an orange tip so cops can tell the difference. and other Bs warning labels etc. I remember my Instruction manual for a jet engine, and the other guy said, all those warnings and notes, those are written in blood, people have made mistakes or found out things the hard way. Some labels are important, others are just CYA so they don't get sued like COFFEE IS HOT.. Duh..

The coffee is hot lawsuit was a real tragedy, not the parody people made it out to be. An entire quarter of her body was badly burned. Nor was the woman greedy, initially asking for $20,000 - the cost of her medical treatments.

"Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[12] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9.1 kg) (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg). After the hospital stay, Liebeck needed care for three weeks, which was provided by her daughter.[13] Liebeck suffered permanent disfigurement after the incident and was partially disabled for two years."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I don’t know much about this character except she came from one of the animated series.

But I’m wondering the in universe explanation for if more Jedi survived the purge, where were they during the OT?

 

[Xerxes82]

The coffee is hot lawsuit was a real tragedy, not the parody people made it out to be. An entire quarter of her body was badly burned. Nor was the woman greedy, initially asking for $20,000 - the cost of her medical treatments.

Not to derail a thread, but...

Most of that comes down to how the issue was presented, particularly in the media. People correctly point out that SHE is the one who spilled the coffee, it wasn't dumped on her or anything. So shouldn't she bear some personal responsibility for her injuries rather than blaming the restaurant that sold it to her?

But the real issue in the case wasn't that she didn't know or think the coffee would be hot, but that her attorneys alleged that McDonald's coffee was knowingly kept SO hot, at a much higher temperature than required or that other restaurants used, that she couldn't know that spilling it on herself would result in such serious injuries (as opposed to spilling some other place's cup of coffee on herself, which would suck but mostly just be embarassing). Basically, that she would have handled the coffee differently if she was aware of the extreme temperature the coffee was maintained at.

The issue being argued and the way the media portrayed it were wildly divergent things, and that fed the pop culture narrative that she was stupid and trying to profit from it. There's a valuable lesson in there about how the media can direct a narrative against it's own facts.

 

[Reverend]

Ahsoka's montrals (head tails) were shortened from her Rebels appearence to accommodate the stunt acting.
https://twitter.com/brianmatyasart/status/1332426506480406530

I suspected as much. Indeed I recall having a discussion about this about a year or so back, asserting that there's no way they could go with the full size headgear as a practical piece AND except the performer to be able to do more than just turn her head slightly while standing very still. IIRC the actress that played Shaak-Ti said the one she wore weighed a ton which is why she's always either stood still, or sat down...and I think you can even see her fall flat on her front in the shot where they're all piling into the gunships.

I thought that the only way to get the full effect for anything other than very static dialogue scenes would require a performance capture rig that allowed them to add the headpiece in digitally...and that it'd be horrendously difficult (and expensive) to do convincingly.

Switching to a smaller headpiece is I think a necessary compromise under the circumstances, though I do miss the longer tails.

The coffee is hot lawsuit was a real tragedy, not the parody people made it out to be. An entire quarter of her body was badly burned. Nor was the woman greedy, initially asking for $20,000 - the cost of her medical treatments.

"Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[12] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9.1 kg) (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg). After the hospital stay, Liebeck needed care for three weeks, which was provided by her daughter.[13] Liebeck suffered permanent disfigurement after the incident and was partially disabled for two years."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

I don't disagree with the sentiment, however I will say that "let's put a warning label on it" is more of an indictment of the company than the plaintive since the proper response should have been "let's not keep liquids in flimsy cups at scalding temperatures". I say this as someone that's had to make a coffee shop run for half the office and had to carry them all in one of those cardboard trays up two flights of stairs. One trip, and I'd have been fucked.

It's all rather case by case. Some labels are there because people are morons and can't be trusted. Some are there because a company is doing the bare minimum to evade legal liability when undertaking unsafe, yet technically legal practices. And some are there for very good reasons. I've worked around heavy machinery, I've heard the horror stories. I pay attention to warning labels, no matter how inane it seems.
In my experience; typically what people really mean when cry about "the nanny state", is that they resent being made to actually think about what they're doing.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t know much about this character except she came from one of the animated series.

But I’m wondering the in universe explanation for if more Jedi survived the purge, where were they during the OT?

Hiding, mostly. Ahsoka saw Order 66 first hand and so knew to keep a low profile. Pretty much every Jedi that survived Order 66 kept a very low profile.

 

[Xerxes82]

Hiding, mostly. Ahsoka saw Order 66 first hand and so knew to keep a low profile. Pretty much every Jedi that survived Order 66 kept a very low profile.

True. Although it should be noted that Ahsoka also served in the Rebellion, so she wasn't completely off the board. But all of the non-film/tv media has made clear that actively doing Jedi things was a pretty quick recipe for winding up on the Empire's radar, and more than likely the key to a very short lifespan moving forward for any Jedi survivors of 66.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hiding, mostly. Ahsoka saw Order 66 first hand and so knew to keep a low profile. Pretty much every Jedi that survived Order 66 kept a very low profile.

And if Quinlan Vos is still alive at this point then he learned to keep a very low profile after the rise of the Empire, so much so that we've heard less about his possible survival after Order 66 than any other Jedi of any rank.

 

[fireproof78]

True. Although it should be noted that Ahsoka also served in the Rebellion, so she wasn't completely off the board. But all of the non-film/tv media has made clear that actively doing Jedi things was a pretty quick recipe for winding up on the Empire's radar, and more than likely the key to a very short lifespan moving forward for any Jedi survivors of 66.

But, the Emperor was just as concerned with rebellion as he was Jedi. So his focus shifted, and his inquisitors eventually spent much time hunting Maul and Kanan, meaning that others may have slipped by due to his myopic focus.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Hiding, mostly. Ahsoka saw Order 66 first hand and so knew to keep a low profile. Pretty much every Jedi that survived Order 66 kept a very low profile.

But then the Death Star was enough to get Obiwan into it and not the others?

And when Yoda said “No, there is another”, he left out “And a handful of other memorable people just in hiding, we could try recruiting them too!”

 

[fireproof78]

But then the Death Star was enough to get Obiwan into it and not the others?

And when Yoda said “No, there is another”, he left out “And a handful of other memorable people just in hiding, we could try recruiting them too!”

Yeah, that's pretty much been the Legends EU for a while now.

 

[Imaus]

But then the Death Star was enough to get Obiwan into it and not the others?

And when Yoda said “No, there is another”, he left out “And a handful of other memorable people just in hiding, we could try recruiting them too!”

I mean at this rate Vos and Ashoka aren't good Jedi, if they are still Jedi, and Ezra is missing, and even if he wasn't, isn't a good Jedi to hinge the future on.

They're capable, they're survivors, but they all have chips on their shoulders; Leia has been fighting her whole life free of the force and the Jedi stuff until VERY recently as is out of tune with it. Hard to train her, but she's still a mostly blank slate which they hope they could teach their *adjusted* jedi views and training.

 

[wayoung]

Kylo killed Baby Yoda and Rey still made out with him

 

[Imaus]

Kylo killed Baby Yoda and Rey still made out with him

Nah Gyro just does another Order 66 Younglings and just...yeets away. "Ah well time to hide again I'm barely walking....'.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Nah Gyro just does another Order 66 Younglings and just...yeets away. "Ah well time to hide again I'm barely walking....'.

What? Someone ordered 66 Yeunglings?

Anyway, I'm completely unfamiliar with the animated series and the EU, but these names are familiar to me. It'll be interesting to see where they go with it. And, of course, I'm waiting for the inevitable OT/Mando crossover episode. Who will be the lucky character to make the bridge?

Lastly: wow, Michael Biehn! I didn't recognize him until I looked up the cast on IMDB. He still had that sly smile, though, that gave him away.