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The Making Of Star Trek....

Christopher, to further piss people off and drain yet more life out of this thread, do you subscribe to the widely discussed theory/retcon that Dr. Smith's personality changed only as the result of the considerable physiological damage done to him in experiencing the initial takeoff thoroughly unprotected from its impact?

That doesn't wash, because his personality shift didn't really begin until a half-dozen or so episodes later.

I like the take from the '90s Innovation comics that his clownish, cowardly persona was just an act he adopted to convince the Robinsons he was harmless. But I've also always subscribed to the notion that he was never entirely ruthless to begin with. In the first few episodes, he's capable of arranging a sabotage that will kill from a distance, out of sight and out of mind, but doesn't have it in him to kill more directly, especially children or people he's gotten to know personally. A lot of people point out his malevolent glee at "killing" the guard in the first episode, but there's no confirmation that the guard died. To be sure, his choice to save the Robinsons in "The Hungry Sea" was more about self-interest -- not wanting to be alone with only the Robot for company -- than compassion, but he did save them. He needed human companionship, and as long as he was stranded with the Robinsons, he needed to persuade them that he wasn't a threat.

The comics also postulated that the sillier turn the series took after season 1 represented Penny's embellished version of their experiences in her diary. There was an issue that had two parallel narratives by different artists, one showing a grittier, more realistic adventure, the other showing Penny's campy and fanciful version of the same tale. It implied that a lot of Smith's buffoonish characterization was Penny's exaggerated view of him.
 
None of which invalidates the point I made, to wit, FTL in and of itself does not negate the need for cryotubes. If the on-board passage of time is significant, into the tubes you go. :lol:
If I recall correctly didn't they also do this in Prometheus? I'm pretty sure they did.

Come for The Making of Star Trek, stay for 2 pages of Lost in Space discussion. :rolleyes:
Practically nothing surprise me around here anymore. :)
 
None of which invalidates the point I made, to wit, FTL in and of itself does not negate the need for cryotubes. If the on-board passage of time is significant, into the tubes you go. :lol:
If I recall correctly didn't they also do this in Prometheus? I'm pretty sure they did.
I think so (only watched it once).

Something similar could work in the case of LiS as well, if you allow that the flight plan for the J2 is designed to maximize the amount of resources available to the Robinsons when they arrive at aCent. The goal, after all, was to establish a colony on a distant world.

It would therefore be a slower ride than the J2 is capable of, a ride that uses the least fuel possible while making the trip in a reasonable amount of time. The J2's magic reactionless drive, I mean, "atomic motors," might also allow the flight plan to cheat the on-board resource consumption by flying just under the speed of light, therefore taking advantage of time dilation. :lol:

So why build the J2 with FTL it isn't using? Safety in the ability to abort the mission and return to Earth. At the expense of using up all their fuel, of course.
 
Thank you very much Warped9 and everyone else who contributed to this thread for bringing this book to my attention. It's been only 6 months since I started to watch TOS, and looking at all the stuff that is available can be overwhelming to a newbie. I'd also be afraid of buying the same content with different cover over and over again. So I highly appreciate when "must haves" are pointed out.

After a two weeks wait, the book arrived today and I can't wait to dive properly into it. It's the 1991 issue but you gotta start somewhere, right?

And regarding to whoever it was that said women would not enjoy technical drawings and ground maps... well, I do. After reading in here, and from a quick look into the book, I actually had them expected to be more detailed, but then there is a certain charm to the old fashioned (handdrawn) style.

In fact, I draw groundplans every day, working in an engineer's office. Back in Eastern Germany times, we actually had a mandatory subject of "Technical Drawing" at school and I was the only one in class who enjoyed it. When I started to work in the early Nineties it was all still ink and transparent paper, but nowadays it's done with computers of course. I somehow miss doing it with my own fingers though.

I started early, got interested at the age of 9, when we were about to move into a new apartment/flat, and my parents would move paper furniture on a layout to see how best to furnish the new place.
 
Up until about ten years or so ago I still utilized the drafting skills I learned in highschool (mechanical and architectural drafting) to draw up my ship schematics. We're talking T-square, set squares, circle and elipse templates, French curves and mechanical pencils.

I since grauated to drawing with Illustrator and building 3D mdels because it's cleaner and more precise. But I did learn how to do it by hand back in the day.
 
Up until about ten years or so ago I still utilized the drafting skills I learned in highschool (mechanical and architectural drafting) to draw up my ship schematics. We're talking T-square, set squares, circle and elipse templates, French curves and mechanical pencils.

I since grauated to drawing with Illustrator and building 3D mdels because it's cleaner and more precise. But I did learn how to do it by hand back in the day.
Yay! You sound like my man!

As I am in an engineer's office, we do no architectural work but statics - formwork and structural plans. But when I learnt for three years we would do all the fancy constructions - like the exact shape when a thick tube meats a thin tube and what kind of elipse that makes. Nowadays you can do it in 3D and let the computer figure it out by itself and look at it from all directions, but there was something special (dare I say sensual? ;) ) in proper measuring and connecting the dots and see the form take shape. And realize that one dot was far out of line with all the others...

Or flipping over a hipped roof to show the real size of each side - to be able to compute the surface area, for finding out how many shingles you need, for example.

There is one advantage to computer drawing though - how easy it is to change stuff or move it around. Removing ink from paper with a razor blade was the only downside.

We also used to have the subject of Astronomy in Eastern German days. Something which is long gone nowadays save for a few hours in Physics class I guess.
 
Christopher, to further piss people off and drain yet more life out of this thread, do you subscribe to the widely discussed theory/retcon that Dr. Smith's personality changed only as the result of the considerable physiological damage done to him in experiencing the initial takeoff thoroughly unprotected from its impact?

That doesn't wash, because his personality shift didn't really begin until a half-dozen or so episodes later.

I like the take from the '90s Innovation comics that his clownish, cowardly persona was just an act he adopted to convince the Robinsons he was harmless. But I've also always subscribed to the notion that he was never entirely ruthless to begin with. In the first few episodes, he's capable of arranging a sabotage that will kill from a distance, out of sight and out of mind, but doesn't have it in him to kill more directly, especially children or people he's gotten to know personally. A lot of people point out his malevolent glee at "killing" the guard in the first episode, but there's no confirmation that the guard died. To be sure, his choice to save the Robinsons in "The Hungry Sea" was more about self-interest -- not wanting to be alone with only the Robot for company -- than compassion, but he did save them. He needed human companionship, and as long as he was stranded with the Robinsons, he needed to persuade them that he wasn't a threat.

The comics also postulated that the sillier turn the series took after season 1 represented Penny's embellished version of their experiences in her diary. There was an issue that had two parallel narratives by different artists, one showing a grittier, more realistic adventure, the other showing Penny's campy and fanciful version of the same tale. It implied that a lot of Smith's buffoonish characterization was Penny's exaggerated view of him.


In-universe, I don't think there's anything to say that such an impact on Smith might not have taken some period of time to start manifesting itself. To shoehorn a focus on him during those pilot derived episodes would have been difficult given the content that had to be used and the fact the Irwin Allen would likely have been loath to spend any more production money than necessary as those episodes were already essentially in the can.

I wouldn't put such a distance between Smith's unmitigated instinct and ability to be directly lethal when it suited his purposes early on either. I don't think he was gleeful in his attack on the guard, it simply had to be done. Whether the guard was killed outright or not seems irrelevant as Smith's two thoughts about disposing of the body, would both have finished the job as he well knew. He did have some positive feeling towards Will from the beginning, but remember, he didn't make any differentiation to the Robot of limitations of who should get the chop when the opportunity arose. I don't think he was alarmed that Will was about to eeeliminated, as he described it to the Robot, but only that the circumstances that were about to proceed , so soon after his perfidious behavior during the approach to the planet, would likely prove impossible to avoid having pinned on him.

I would also point out that his demonstration of the Robot's strength to West and Dr. Robinson was no idle bluff. I have no reason to think that he wouldn't have had West pulverized if the latter didn't accede to his demands. One might argue the foolhardiness of such an action, which would leave no one to pilot the ship, but he did hedge his bet by having the sabotage of the braking rockets as a backup to force West's hand if needs must. Smith may also have believed that the Robot could take control of the ship's operation, a notion he was disabused of only later in the episode.

As to the suggestion he was acting to minimize the Robinson's suspicion of him, I would submit that throughout the first season at least, his attitude towards West and the Drs. Robinson was pretty consistently contemptuous, both directly and privately. Certainly, he did act, feign illness, conveniently disappear when asked to do a task, etc. but I think that generally, this was his way of giving them the finger in regards to helping them. Also, knowing their forgiving nature, save West of course, he pretty will thought he could get away with anything and suffer no consequences, (The Oasis).

Lastly, the idea propounded that what we saw was Penny's innocent take on events as detailed in her diary is certainly an imaginative and creative conceit that is quite interesting to consider. Though, the one thing about it is, while Judy was shown making tapes detailing their life, once anyway, I don't have any recollection of ever seeing Penny keep a diary. However, I'll readily concede that I might be forgetting some brief scene or two showing that she did.

Well, I guess it's off to the rewatch to provide the indisputable answer to that vexing question.

Ta Ta and toodeloo!!! :lol:
 
In-universe, I don't think there's anything to say that such an impact on Smith might not have taken some period of time to start manifesting itself. To shoehorn a focus on him during those pilot derived episodes would have been difficult given the content that had to be used and the fact the Irwin Allen would likely have been loath to spend any more production money than necessary as those episodes were already essentially in the can.

On the contrary -- Smith's very existence was a massive act of shoehorning. Remember, he wasn't in the original pilot at all. And when he was added, they spread out the original pilot's content among the first five episodes -- which means that basically 80% of the material in those first five episodes was new content featuring Smith and the Robot. So he was very heavily focused on from the beginning.

The reason Smith's characterization changed was because Jonathan Harris liked playing the clown. So the writers adjusted the character to play to his strengths.


He did have some positive feeling towards Will from the beginning, but remember, he didn't make any differentiation to the Robot of limitations of who should get the chop when the opportunity arose. I don't think he was alarmed that Will was about to eeeliminated, as he described it to the Robot, but only that the circumstances that were about to proceed , so soon after his perfidious behavior during the approach to the planet, would likely prove impossible to avoid having pinned on him.

Well, sure. Early Smith is a complex character. As I said, he's willing to kill from a distance, but doesn't have the ruthlessness to kill people he knows well or respects, like Will. So he was conflicted -- he was trying to carry out his lethal mission, but ultimately, despite himself, he didn't have the heart to go through with it. You don't need to convince me that he wanted to commit violence, because I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying that, when it came down to it, he had more of a conscience than he realized or was comfortable with.
 
My knowledge of LIS is minimal, but could it be that the hyperdrive wasn't terribly reliable for getting from point A to point B even when functioning properly? More of a last-ditch "anywhere but here" option?
 
My knowledge of LIS is minimal, but could it be that the hyperdrive wasn't terribly reliable for getting from point A to point B even when functioning properly? More of a last-ditch "anywhere but here" option?

In the comics, IIRC, it was an untested prototype for emergencies only -- actually salvaged tech from a crashed alien ship, with the secret purpose behind the Alpha Centauri mission being to find out about the aliens who came from there.
 
Also, were the Robinsons supposed to be the first humans to go to Alpha Centauri? If so, it could be that the trip had to be made at sublight the first time (or first few times, if they weren't quite the first) in order for the ship to collect astrogational data so that future expeditions could make the trip via hyperdrive.
 
Also, were the Robinsons supposed to be the first humans to go to Alpha Centauri?

Yup. According to narrator Dick Tufeld, "The first of what may be as many as ten million families per year is setting out on its epic voyage into man's newest frontier, deep space." Also, the voyage was supposed to be five and a half years long.
 
Yup. According to narrator Dick Tufeld, "The first of what may be as many as ten million families per year is setting out on its epic voyage into man's newest frontier, deep space." Also, the voyage was supposed to be five and a half years long.
That wording would allow for the likelihood of initial explorers/surveyors who weren't bringing along families to colonize...but there still could have been astrogational work needed to make reliable hyperdrive jumps to and from AC a practical possibility. Particularly if the hyperdrive tech was newer than the data they had.
 
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