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The Least Disliked Episode of TNG - Season Six

It's not that the script has plot holes so much as the made up science for how time works has logical holes. Like, if you listen to Data for how long until the breach destroys the ship, and do the math, we should be able to see it visibly moving.

But, dude, that's like the least important criticism ever leveled at a TV episode. How could something like that lower your enjoyment of the episode?
 
Relics is out, Scotty is annoying and whiny a d wastes time that could be spend on the way more interesting Dyson sphere.

Chain Of Command I
Chain of Command II
Ship in a Bottle
The Chase
Second Chances
Timescape

^^this, the story lasted way too long in the list IMHO...

The Dyson sphere is interesting (it's like a Death Star on meth but without the big boom boom gun) but Scotty is woefully underused, apart from fodder in an episode that glorifies the stereotypes of ageism. Even 1979 campy Buck Rogers did a far better job with fighting ageism. Twice. (one whole episode and a couple of scenes in another episode, which also featured the original Buck (Buster Crabbe).) Regression is not progression, what was TNG doing in 1992? :(

Never mind they had to write around a plot hole by beaming people out with the shields up and in come all the streches (like "but the Jenolan is 80 years old and the D's transporters can get through their shieeeeeeeelds!")

If nothing else, Freeman Dyson enjoyed the episode, despite not taking his idea seriously to begin with, calling the science behind it "nonsense"... and for casual viewers, just seeing Scotty is going to be brill regardless.
 
It's not that the script has plot holes so much as the made up science for how time works has logical holes. Like, if you listen to Data for how long until the breach destroys the ship, and do the math, we should be able to see it visibly moving.

I think one of the series best moments is when Picard draws a smiley face in the warp core breach.

True. It's almost the reversal in the "Die Hard in Space" where John-Luck McClane has to stay in front of the cell shredding green beam, which is moving faster than what the time readouts people are stating were suggesting... I love it when that happens. :D ("Starship Mine" isn't a bad story, it's the season's given action episode, but it is an example of trying another format that doesn't quite work. "Power Play" might be a better example...)
 
But, dude, that's like the least important criticism ever leveled at a TV episode. How could something like that lower your enjoyment of the episode?

It doesn't, much. Just a tiny bit. Like, made up science episodes just jive better if they all fit nicely into your brain without having to jam anything in. Having to jam something in makes me just a little bit uncomfortable. But very small effect, it wouldn't even reduce my rating of the episode a point. One tenth of a point tops.
 
It doesn't, much. Just a tiny bit. Like, made up science episodes just jive better if they all fit nicely into your brain without having to jam anything in. Having to jam something in makes me just a little bit uncomfortable. But very small effect, it wouldn't even reduce my rating of the episode a point. One tenth of a point tops.

But we're talking about plot holes that have moved Timescape down in his rankings.

Honestly, as far as plot holes go - and I'm not even sure this qualifies as a plot hole - the only thing that comes to mind is the very beginning, where the time stoppages don't make sense with what we learn later. But that's something I would file under the so-what category.

We'll see what he says.
 
But we're talking about plot holes that have moved Timescape down in his rankings.

Honestly, as far as plot holes go - and I'm not even sure this qualifies as a plot hole - the only thing that comes to mind is the very beginning, where the time stoppages don't make sense with what we learn later. But that's something I would file under the so-what category.

We'll see what he says.

Well, nothing about the time "bubbles" or whatever makes sense, The Romulan shooting Beverly because she got in the way... but how would he remember that since to him it never happened!!! As for the black hole people they seem to be able to move in whatever time they choose so why were they able to catch them?
 
Well, it's rather complicated and I am in a hurry right now but I'll give you a detailed response as soon as I can. Suffice it to say for now that the different "weird time" scenes are not very coherent.
But, dude, that's like the least important criticism ever leveled at a TV episode. How could something like that lower your enjoyment of the episode?
that's something I would file under the so-what category.
If it bugged him, it bugged him, and -- for the purposes of this thread and this game -- that's what matters. The rest of us don't get to decide whether someone likes something, or "should."
 
If it bugged him, it bugged him, and -- for the purposes of this thread and this game -- that's what matters. The rest of us don't get to decide whether someone likes something, or "should."
You are incorrect. The point under contention was that Timescape had too many plot holes to be a great episode. We're not talking about me deciding whether he should like it, but whether the plot holes kept it from being great. Those are separate issues.
 
You are incorrect. The point under contention was that Timescape had too many plot holes to be a great episode. We're not talking about me deciding whether he should like it, but whether the plot holes kept it from being great. Those are separate issues.

IMO, the plot holes did keep the episode from being great. I can't fully appreciate an episode if there are things in it bothering me.
 
You are incorrect. The point under contention was that Timescape had too many plot holes to be a great episode. We're not talking about me deciding whether he should like it, but whether the plot holes kept it from being great. Those are separate issues.
We're not working out absolute values of "great" here; we're presenting our individual opinions on what is great and what is lacking. @Discofan doesn't think "Timescape" is great; he's entitled to that opinion; and he's presented his reasons for it. That you don't agree doesn't somehow make his opinion invalid.
 
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