The least disliked episode 2021 - VOY Season Three

[JirinPanthosa]

Removing Flashback.

The whole logic of it didn't make sense, it's like they wrote the entire episode around getting George Takei to show up and couldn't figure out where to go from there.

The Swarm
Remember
Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Warlord
Fair Trade
Alter Ego
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[Orphalesion]

Alter Ego is gone. First of all, Voyager shouldn't even have been able to use the Holodeck as much as it did (we're trying to conserve energy, remember?) Then it's the usual Star Trek story with a self-aware holodeck character.
And then the reveal doesn't make any sense...really, if that civilization has the technology to keep a nebula in its current state, they should have been able to install an A.I. to oversee the process, instead of stranding a person there. Or at least make it a team of scientists that's rotated regularly and do space/nebula science in addition to keeping the nebula intact.
I mean even with a team of scientists that gets rotated on a regular basis you could have had that one, young temp who feels she doesn't click with the team and feels home sick and like she her work doesn't challenge her enough with the team, so she secretly rifles through the computer banks of passing starships in her off-time and taps into Voyager's holodeck.

The Swarm
Remember
Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Warlord
Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[Seven of Five]

The Swarm is best remembered as a fun Robert Picardo vehicle. It's just a shame how nothing about him needing a reboot wasn never followed up.

Janeway deciding to go through another race's territory despite them forbidding it, was a dumb move. Was this the beginning of her bending and choosing her views on the Prime Directive depending on the episode?

Remember
Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Warlord
Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[BigDaveX]

Remember. Ironically, it's the least memorable of the episodes still in the contest.

Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Warlord
Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[BlueStuff]

I thought about going after Future's End - not a fan of that two-parter. However, I can't as long as Warlord is on the list. Bad show and poor vehicle for Kes.

Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Removing Future’s End Part II. One of Trek’s many “Good setup, awkward resolution” two parters.

Future's End, Part I
Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[Seven of Five]

Future's End was fun, but the remaining episodes have more substance, for me.

Fair Trade
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[Qonundrum]

Removing Flashback.

The whole logic of it didn't make sense, it's like they wrote the entire episode around getting George Takei to show up and couldn't figure out where to go from there.

I am so going to cry...



It's not the best of the season, but - contrived or otherwise - is a nice homage to Trek as an anniversary special. Unlike DS9's "Tribbleations", it inserts characters into and expands on lore via bringing back a cast, without the need of splicing in effects. Plus, it's cool to see the Excelsior crew. But one has to roll with a lot... There's a lot of dialogue that tries to wave off continuity fluffs, and Janeway's take on how The Big Three wouldn't be allowed to be so cowboyish is more deftly handled than my first reaction way back when. It does get all Nexus-like when Janeway in the mindmeld can flit back and forth and re-do things, as if it's a glorified "choose your own adventure" novel... but passable as Tuvok's brain is going haywire, just like self-aware dreaming, so why not...? Yeah, the episode could have been better - no question. Could have been a lot worse too.

I thought about going after Future's End - not a fan of that two-parter. However, I can't as long as Warlord is on the list. Bad show and poor vehicle for Kes.

Braga and Menosky tried hard to continue the Trek tradition of going back in time to contemporary times, but Future's End, Part I - despite a lot of witty one-liners and great double-acts, still gets a bit iffy - and too contrived for the cliffhanger, both in terms of the obvious with how many people saw the ship but also with the evil guy figuring out how to break into Voyager so quickly - 500 years alone means nothing in of itself. Not to mention how the EMH can wander around by happy accident. (Nor would the download of VOY's database be so quick to his 1996 computer, unless he's using a remote session to the 29th century ship but the Unix API is really a lot more functional than anyone let on, I guess...)

That said, Tom+Tuvok=Win.

The guest cast is uniformly strong; Ed Begley Jr is great and Sarah Silverman should have stayed in more serious roles, IMHO - YMMV.

And the disintegrator shootout scene was well done too.

Still, IMHO I'd put Flashback over Future's End...

 

[freethinker]

Alter Ego is gone. First of all, Voyager shouldn't even have been able to use the Holodeck as much as it did (we're trying to conserve energy, remember?) Then it's the usual Star Trek story with a self-aware holodeck character.
And then the reveal doesn't make any sense...really, if that civilization has the technology to keep a nebula in its current state, they should have been able to install an A.I. to oversee the process, instead of stranding a person there. Or at least make it a team of scientists that's rotated regularly and do space/nebula science in addition to keeping the nebula intact.
I mean even with a team of scientists that gets rotated on a regular basis you could have had that one, young temp who feels she doesn't click with the team and feels home sick and like she her work doesn't challenge her enough with the team, so she secretly rifles through the computer banks of passing starships in her off-time and taps into Voyager's holodeck.
...

To think that that scenario will be ripped off in ENT ("Exile")

 

[freethinker]

"Fair Trade" is the weakest of the remainder. Neelix is afraid that Janeway will make him leave the ship so he makes sure to do something that will upset her.... Plus what happened to the Neelix who confiscated Janeway's private mess hall to turn it into a kitchen without asking permission?


Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[sidbad]

Displaced sticks out like a saw thumb in the last few awesome episodes of the season. It's a cute idea, but it's not executed in a memorable way.

Flashback
The Swarm
Remember
Future's End, Part I
Future's End, Part II
Warlord
Fair Trade
Alter Ego
Unity
Before and After
Worst Case Scenario
Scorpion, Part I

 

[BlueStuff]

Tamogin Kubla Hun popular Statesman in America today ATTILA Kubla Tamogin Khan on move in the east note to treckees about Sulu George cant spell his last name met on twitter booted me out for extremist group activteee i just like to say i was there defending a mans life by nam of Gomer pyle homo sexual man i risked my own life to save his an i got booted out of twitter please tell him for me not to judge all members as a group but each indvidual base on his own merits i got kicked out of aaa in defence of the homo sexual man still like the group stuff

Paging @Akiraprise

 

[freethinker]

...
It's not the best of the season, but - contrived or otherwise - is a nice homage to Trek as an anniversary special. Unlike DS9's "Tribbleations", it inserts characters into and expands on lore via bringing back a cast, without the need of splicing in effects. Plus, it's cool to see the Excelsior crew. But one has to roll with a lot... There's a lot of dialogue that tries to wave off continuity fluffs, and Janeway's take on how The Big Three wouldn't be allowed to be so cowboyish is more deftly handled than my first reaction way back when. It does get all Nexus-like when Janeway in the mindmeld can flit back and forth and re-do things, as if it's a glorified "choose your own adventure" novel... but passable as Tuvok's brain is going haywire, just like self-aware dreaming, so why not...? Yeah, the episode could have been better - no question. Could have been a lot worse too.....

Yes, this seems more like a holodeck simulation (inside Tuvok's mind) than a so-called memory. I mean if it's just a memory then why can't just Janeway "think" that she has different clothes or imagine herself invisible or whatever, the actual removal of Janice Rand's clothes to put them on seems bizarre, to say the least. I mean memories tend not to change. That's why they're called memories and not daydreams. So it's a memory but it's interactive and may change except for some details (like the death of Valtane) that remain constant...Yeah, it's a bit messy if you ask me.

 

[BigDaveX]

Worst Case Scenario. As holodeck malfunction episodes go it's actually not too bad, but it's still the weakest of the remaining episodes.

Unity
Before and After
Scorpion, Part I

 

[BlueStuff]

Unity gets the boot. Not bad as Chakotay episodes go, but I like the others more.

Before and After
Scorpion, Part I

 

[freethinker]

So it's up to me to choose the winner and I choose "Before and After" as it is likely the best Kes episode.

"Scorpion, Part I" is a little less interesting.

 

[freethinker]

...
Janeway deciding to go through another race's territory despite them forbidding it, was a dumb move. Was this the beginning of her bending and choosing her views on the Prime Directive depending on the episode?
...

Yeah, it's kinda Janeway's thing, isn't it?

"The prime directive is whatever I say it is, for the moment, tomorrow, I'll say it's something else."

 

[Seven of Five]

I love Scorpion and Before and After, so at least they both get through to the final round.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Worst Case Scenario is one of those episodes with a great execution of a flawed premise.

Seska never expected to get caught. When exactly did she program this thing? If Tuvok had triggered it while she was aboard it would have been a signed confession.

And yeah, seeing Sulu was cool, but you have to write a sensical script too.

 

[Orphalesion]

Wow, so "Before and After" won?
That's cool! It's a very interesting episode. And it finally got Kes out of that crappy, blond Vulcan-wig.