THE LAST SHIP Season 3 - spoilers, reviews, discussions and junk...

[Morpheus 02]

Yeah...that was intense...I am glad to see President Oliver is indeed the good guy I thought he was...I hope he survives and makes Kara one of his closest aides....

I will be sad if Takahaya winds up dying. I would like for him to be restored & being a heroic Captain

And is CAPT. Joseph Meylan going to be an "adversary" next episode? Hopefully temporary... he seems like I want to like & respect...just that h doesn't yet know all the facts, so he's got a different mindset.

 

[The Wormhole]

Oh yeah, those ships went down like punks. But then, they basic purpose to the story was to be "redshirts."

Also, regarding the strength of the US military, President Oliver talked about deploying Marines, and from the sound of it Pearl Harbour is operational and can send ships to transport these Marines to Asia.

And is CAPT. Joseph Meylan going to be an "adversary" next episode?

I suspect next week anyway he'll likely be butting heads with Chandler and probably Slattery too. Somewhat understandable given the current circumstances. Hopefully once he sees the bigger picture he'll become an ally to them.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well, it's called The Last Ship so those ships had to go down.

I thought it was a little odd that those crates had Vietnam written in English. I was a bit distracted at the beginning so maybe there was a reason. I also thought it was funny that Bridget Regan (char. name?) had to spray paint that stencil in order to read it.

 

[Star Wolf]

Well, it's called The Last Ship so those ships had to go down.

I thought it was a little odd that those crates had Vietnam written in English. I was a bit distracted at the beginning so maybe there was a reason. I also thought it was funny that Bridget Regan (char. name?) had to spray paint that stencil in order to read it.

Well first we had the multinational death cult of the immune and now we have the multinational pirates/smugglers and slaves at a US Army museum bio-weapons factory and English is the world's second language.

I could see it was Korean lettering when she picked up the stencil. I wonder why Vietnam and Japan got the vaccine first?

 

[Q2UnME]

And now I must rant.

Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyers are equipped with the Aegis defense system, The whole point - the POINT I tell you - of this system is to shoot down missiles fired at Aegis equipped ships, at long, medium and close range.
It is criminal that three Aegis equipped destroyers just sat there and let two waves of missiles just fly in before it occurred to somebody "Oh wait...we can shoot those down right?"
I need a facepalm emoji...

That entire sequence left me shaking my head. The moment they sounded General Quarters and Battle Stations, those systems would have been activated and functioned AUTOMATICALLY. The missiles would have been shot down without human intervention; that is what they were designed to do.

I know it was to add drama, cool action and to advance the plot, but some Navy adviser should have raised his hand and said "Uhm, that's not how it would go down".

Completely pulled me out of the show and I could no longer "suspend disbelief". As the Admiral said, complete facepalm moment here too.

Q2

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, it's called The Last Ship so those ships had to go down.

Clearly, still it is very surprising they lasted nine episodes into a thirteen episode season.

I also thought it was funny that Bridget Regan (char. name?) had to spray paint that stencil in order to read it.

That was funny. But I guess reading a name spray painted onto a wall so the audience can see it is more dramatic than looking at a stencil that the audience doesn't have a clear line of sight on.

 

[Admiral2]

I will say this: I'm impressed that a show that borrows so heavily from so many other shows is managing to squeeze in Game of Thrones, with the rulers of the regional kingdoms trying remove the President from Iron White House. (And with Cersei Blondister their agent on the inside...)

 

[FPAlpha]

That entire sequence left me shaking my head. The moment they sounded General Quarters and Battle Stations, those systems would have been activated and functioned AUTOMATICALLY. The missiles would have been shot down without human intervention; that is what they were designed to do.

I know it was to add drama, cool action and to advance the plot, but some Navy adviser should have raised his hand and said "Uhm, that's not how it would go down".

Completely pulled me out of the show and I could no longer "suspend disbelief". As the Admiral said, complete facepalm moment here too.

Q2

Drama always supersedes realism and even for a show that's apparently heavily supported by the Navy the writers can toss out military procedures anytime because most people watching it have never even heard of Aegis so they will not be bothered at all (other than being angry that the mighty US Navy was lured so easily into a trap).

The only thing that bothered me in this scene were the weak ass special effects when the ships were hit.. apart from the bridge hit on the James that showed the people inside being tossed around and glass splintering it was only an SFX explosion effect without any effect on the ships (not even rocking to the side a little bit). It just looked fake as hell.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well this was certainly an eventful episode. Mutiny aboard the Nathan James, Kara forced to team up with her former nemesis, and now they're on the run implicated as fugitives. We learn Allison is in league with Peng and we even get a little topical what with there being a wall being built around the territories. Okay, I know the wall is not necessarily meant as a reference to Trump, but the comparison is there all the same.

The Nathan James drama was really entertaining even if it is just two crews against each other. I'd have preferred a little more complexity than just that, but it serves the purposes, I guess. At least they set things up with Captain Meylan throughout the start of the episode and even towards the end last week not having a high opinion of Chandler. Still, the scenes were really well done with the stand out moment being Chandler's monologue while Slattery and the others were retaking the ship. Eric Dane can really deliver an engaging monologue. And it's nice to see O'Connor has stayed loyal to his old ship, though I guess it helps he'd only been on the Hayward a week prior.

So with Kara now siding with douchebag Barnes, we're seeing a less antagonistic side to him and we've even learned he had a wife and was expecting a child, though presumably his wife was killed in the plague, probably before giving birth. The guy still gets some douche moments, like when Kara talks about not wanting to put her friend at risk, and he mumbles "you didn't mind putting me at risk." And it was nice to see cameos by Chandler's family.

 

[Admiral2]

Didja notice?

"We're going to build a wall and make the old US pay for it! It's gonna be HUGE!"

 

[The Wormhole]

See, that's what I'm wondering, I don't remember when did Trump starting about his wall? Was it at a point when the writers could have inserted an intentional reference, or is this just one hell of a coincidence.

Also, a point I forgot to mention in my previous post, but these regional leaders sure are a disagreeable bunch. Even with Michener out of the way and a puppet President coerced to their agenda they're still not happy.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

@Admiral2 got his missile and I was glad to see some shots of the interior of the ship that I felt have been missing. I think the dual stories of mutiny on the ship and on land have provided some good drama. I probably look forward to this show every week more than any other at the moment. Not every element works perfectly but it has a lot of good ingredients and comes together well enough most of the time.

And I also thought of Trump when they put the wall together. Awfully kind of them to not enforce it until they laid the very final pieces.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I was kinda disappointed that they went through the mutiny....Captain Weyland seems like a good guy (didn't he express admiration for Chandler before the attack?)...hate to have him in that position

Also, I hope Dennis (the new inside man) doesn' t die as he helps liberate America from the coup

Also, didn't they make Last SHip (or at least write it) before people realized that Trump actually would be the Republican nominee?

 

[Admiral2]

They had plenty of time to reference the wall in the later episodes. Trump started his campaign talking about it. He was going to build the wall when he started the primaries, and the talkies took exactly five seconds before they started making fun of it. Deliberate reference or not, the wall reference in the show was timely.

And yes, Mr. A, I got my missile...after three Aegis destroyers brain-farted and let a bunch of vampires get the jump on them... (I'm still pissed about it...)

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Yeah, I'm not so sure it was an intentional reference but it did make it funny. Especially that it was termed "wall" instead of fence or barrier despite being a few feet high.

 

[Aragorn]

This show is still entertaining, but they're struggling to juggle a huge cast of main characters. It's nowhere as bad as Gotham, but a lot of the characters just seem to be there while Chandler, Slattery and Cooper do everything.

 

[Star Wolf]

Drama always supersedes realism and even for a show that's apparently heavily supported by the Navy the writers can toss out military procedures anytime because most people watching it have never even heard of Aegis so they will not be bothered at all (other than being angry that the mighty US Navy was lured so easily into a trap).

Back in the first two seasons I speculated that we never saw the flight crew from behind their visors because in American culture aircrew are seen as more heroic that sailors and that would have been bad for "the last ship" Then they brought in Jesse and her Chinese military helicopter. Someone suggested that finding an Arliegh Burke destroyer to film on the deck was easier for the Navy than to free up a Seahawk. But now with the mutiny and The Last Ship becoming Revolution with a destroyer off the coast I am suspecting the Navy didn't shout "oh hell no! but quietly went with the Marcia Brady line of something suddenly came up. Advisors and support being withdrawn also starts to explain why the Aegis fleet defense system did not work to protect the destroyer squadron like it was designed to do while we waited for one of the hero Captains to say fire

 

[The Wormhole]

This show is still entertaining, but they're struggling to juggle a huge cast of main characters. It's nowhere as bad as Gotham, but a lot of the characters just seem to be there while Chandler, Slattery and Cooper do everything.

To be fair, the show always has had trouble juggling the cast, though season 2 it really got troublesome. Even though season 1 didn't give fair spotlight time to everyone, everyone still had a memorable moment from some point in the season. Season 3 has improved things somewhat by having the separate St Louis storyline giving Kara and the characters introduced there something to do, but the Nathan James storyline probably has too much cast. Hell, after the POW story ended, the Master Chief and Commander Garnett have been largely in the background.

But now with the mutiny and The Last Ship becoming Revolution with a destroyer off the coast I am suspecting the Navy didn't shout "oh hell no! but quietly went with the Marcia Brady line of something suddenly came up.

While I know the US military typically does want a positive image in the shows/movies they lend support to and the mutiny situation definitely stretches that, I'm not sure it is completely painting the Navy in a bad light. After all it is basically one officer following what he believes are lawful orders from a legitimate President and another officer doing what he believes to be the right thing, which since he's the show's lead, is likely correct. They seem to be depicting Captain Meylan as an inexperienced captain more concerned with doing things by the book. If they had depicted him as outright evil or completely incompetent, than I'd be believing the Navy has withdrawn their support from the show.

 

[Admiral2]

Back in the first two seasons I speculated that we never saw the flight crew from behind their visors because in American culture aircrew are seen as more heroic that sailors and that would have been bad for "the last ship" Then they brought in Jesse and her Chinese military helicopter. Someone suggested that finding an Arliegh Burke destroyer to film on the deck was easier for the Navy than to free up a Seahawk. But now with the mutiny and The Last Ship becoming Revolution with a destroyer off the coast I am suspecting the Navy didn't shout "oh hell no! but quietly went with the Marcia Brady line of something suddenly came up. Advisors and support being withdrawn also starts to explain why the Aegis fleet defense system did not work to protect the destroyer squadron like it was designed to do while we waited for one of the hero Captains to say fire

But here's the thing: You don't need the navy's cooperation to make it work. The concept of the Aegis system is a matter of public record. I've never been in the Navy and I know about how it works. It's a powerful radar and an assortment of missiles in their own vertical launchers, all of which you can get the specs on from all sorts of sources. Armed with some research and a little money for sfx the creators of the show could stage a full-on missile battle between the Arleigh Burkes and the shore batteries and tell the Navy to go screw. They just didn't. This wasn't a cooperation problem. This was a "the writers needed the fleet to get bitch-slapped for dramatic purposes" problem.

 

[Star Wolf]

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While I know the US military typically does want a positive image in the shows/movies they lend support to and the mutiny situation definitely stretches that, I'm not sure it is completely painting the Navy in a bad light. After all it is basically one officer following what he believes are lawful orders from a legitimate President and another officer doing what he believes to be the right thing, which since he's the show's lead, is likely correct. They seem to be depicting Captain Meylan as an inexperienced captain more concerned with doing things by the book. If they had depicted him as outright evil or completely incompetent, than I'd be believing the Navy has withdrawn their support from the show.

Just like Crimson Tide (1995) which the US Navy declined to support