THE LAST SHIP Season 2 - discussion, spoilers and general mayhem

[Guy Gardener]

One farmer with a gun vs 50 guys with ak47s?

Of course depending on the size of the farm, it's going to be more than one farmer.

Take the farmwomen burn half their fields, say you'll be back in a year for tribute and you may give back what's left of their wives.

A year later the grain they are given you is poisoned.

Tribute/taxes only works if someone is a bitch.

 

[Admiral2]

One farmer with a gun vs 50 guys with ak47s?

One guy with a gun who knows how to plant versus fifty with AKs that don't. It would be the stupidest victory ever recorded in warfare history. ("Yeah! We dusted him...waitaminnit...")

Of course depending on the size of the farm, it's going to be more than one farmer.

Take the farmwomen burn half their fields, say you'll be back in a year for tribute and you may give back what's left of their wives.

A year later the grain they are given you is poisoned.

Tribute/taxes only works if someone is a bitch.

Indeed.

 

[Star Wolf]

One farmer with a gun vs 50 guys with ak47s?

One guy with a gun who knows how to plant versus fifty with AKs that don't. It would be the stupidest victory ever recorded in warfare history. ("Yeah! We dusted him...waitaminnit...")

Of course depending on the size of the farm, it's going to be more than one farmer.

Take the farmwomen burn half their fields, say you'll be back in a year for tribute and you may give back what's left of their wives.

A year later the grain they are given you is poisoned.

Tribute/taxes only works if someone is a bitch.

Indeed.

That's a lot of effort for some fresh strawberries when the storehouses are full of canned food.

 

[Admiral2]

One farmer with a gun vs 50 guys with ak47s?

One guy with a gun who knows how to plant versus fifty with AKs that don't. It would be the stupidest victory ever recorded in warfare history. ("Yeah! We dusted him...waitaminnit...")

Of course depending on the size of the farm, it's going to be more than one farmer.

Take the farmwomen burn half their fields, say you'll be back in a year for tribute and you may give back what's left of their wives.

A year later the grain they are given you is poisoned.

Tribute/taxes only works if someone is a bitch.

Indeed.

That's a lot of effort for some fresh strawberries when the storehouses are full of canned food.

Yeah, but the storehouses might be protected by guys with .50 cal sniper rifles which would make the AK's useless. Might as well hit the easier target.

 

[sojourner]

Canned food won't last forever. Gotta restart those supply chains at some point.

 

[Star Wolf]

But not six months into the fall. I can't see slave gangs getting up and running. But then I couldn't see a religious death cult taking Europe and Florida either.

 

[The Wormhole]

Canned food won't last forever. Gotta restart those supply chains at some point.

Seriously, just take a look at the expiry dates on canned food. Some of that stuff is good for a few years.

 

[sojourner]

WTF? who said anything about slaves? There's plenty of farm equipment still around.

The sooner you start getting things back into production the less you'll lose in knowledge and skills over time.

With the amount of brain drain they lost to the virus the 2 most important resources at the moment should be babies and libraries.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A feudal system or communism would equate to slavery.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

 

[Star Wolf]

WTF? who said anything about slaves? There's plenty of farm equipment still around.

The sooner you start getting things back into production the less you'll lose in knowledge and skills over time.

With the amount of brain drain they lost to the virus the 2 most important resources at the moment should be babies and libraries.

Guy Gardner did

Sell?

There's no money any more, stuff is everywhere, and extending boarders into unclaimed land is effortless.

The only real valuable commodities left are manpower and healthy babies.

 

[Admiral2]

I took "manpower and babies" to mean allegiances and population growth, not outright slavery of any kind...but the flaw in that thinking is obviously not remembering who posted it.

Speaking of, Guy, WhoTF said anything about communism?

As for feudalism, we've already had it, and each time Nathan James' crew by themselves have broken up the feudal power, so not really an issue. It will continue to be not-an-issue as the Michener Administration solidifies its power and starts reconstituting the country.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you're a warlord who is building a new country where Maine used to be, with an interest in restricting the flow of control and power, communism is a valid option.

 

[Admiral2]

If you're a warlord who is building a new country where Maine used to be, with an interest in restricting the flow of control and power, communism is a valid option.

Until communism turns your little empire to shit (like Cuba) or has to be propped up by little regions of capitalism (like China) which leaves your creaky little socialist paradise surrounded by people trying to rebuiid a republic. And the show is produced in the United States. By Michael Bay.

Good luck with that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The word is "Warlord". Well armed true believers making sure that the surface population doesn't run away and maintains the infrastructure. Work is paid for with food, clothing and safety. Leaving is not allowed.

I was talking about about bad fascist communism, not good hippy communism.

 

[FPAlpha]

Would former US citizens want to live under such a regime, especially if their freedoms are restricted like this?

I understand that the demise of civilization on this scale can be traumatizing and people tend to flock to whomever promises them safety and shelter, regular meals and a community? Not to godwin the thread but this is the reason why Hitler was able to come to power (although the situation in 1930s Germany was less apocalyptic).

It would make for a nice storyline to explore BSG style that had a smiliar premise.. how would people act and live on if their whole world is turned upside down and everything is gone from their old lives.

 

[Admiral2]

The word is "Warlord". Well armed true believers making sure that the surface population doesn't run away and maintains the infrastructure. Work is paid for with food, clothing and safety. Leaving is not allowed.

I was talking about about bad fascist communism, not good hippy communism.

You say that like it's two different things. Bad fascist communism always starts out as good hippy communism because the hippy kind is always what the revolutionaries are promised for joining the revolution. Hippy communism is the goal. It's just one that's never achieved, because every regime that's ever tried it just diverted to the bad tangent.

As FPAlpha's question, I'm sure there are people who would jump at the chance of joining the revolution. They live mostly in L.A. and NYC. Your notional warlord isn't likely to find many of them in Maine.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Do you think declaring ones self King is any better?

I'm not pro communist, I'm just curious about how you get 10,000 humans to labour like bees to rebuild civilization, when anyone that wants to be in charge is usually a massive asshole.

 

[Admiral2]

Do you think declaring ones self King is any better?

Of course not, cause then you get stabbed many times by your friends. So you work the public so they declare you king on their own. Much better results.

I'm not pro communist, I'm just curious about how you get 10,000 humans to labour like bees to rebuild civilization, when anyone that wants to be in charge is usually a massive asshole.

You start by not thinking of the people you want doing the rebuilding as "bees." You get them trading and interacting and working with each other so that they reap benefits from the interactions and then let them realize it was your idea and turn to you for what's next. The UK brothers didn't create a communist paradise. They used Americans' natural tendencies to unionize and demonize to rally the entire eastern seaboard against the Nathan James. Yes, they were assholes, but smart assholes don't let you know that until they're in charge.

 

[Gaith]

Finally caught up with the last three eps. I also doubt the writers will give us an election storyline anytime soon, especially with their vagueness about the current year. Even so, it's the responsibility of the states to send electors. When the Confederate former states didn't send any, there wasn't any Constitutional problem; their potential votes weren't even factored in, and only the votes actually submitted counted for anything. Ergo, as long as Missouri could throw a state legislature together, they could appoint a few electors to vote to re-elect the president, which the presumably nearby Congress would certify - problem solved.

Here's hoping Dr. Scott survives!

(My nitpick of the season: what the hell was with those mountains in the not-too-far background of that one shot of the oil rig off the Louisiana coast blowing up?! Sloppy! )

All in all, a very strong season; at least as good as the first, IMO.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

(My nitpick of the season: what the hell was with those mountains in the not-too-far background of that one shot of the oil rig off the Louisiana coast blowing up?! Sloppy! )

Looks like it could have been Catalina Island. I know they film most exterior shots back and forth between San Diego and LA Harbor/San Pedro, and I'm pretty sure that oil rig is one off of Long Beach.

But yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't edit something that obvious out in post. Louisiana has barrier islands, but they're mostly flat and marshy. No mountainous ones like that.