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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

I think that is mentioned in the novels. A Rebel cell in one on the non-human quarters got word, staged a celebratory protest, knocked down a statue (and a few Stormtroopers), and than got totally crushed by the ISB and more Stormtroopers. This was explain in one of the later novels. The Stackpole ones were before the Special Edition came out.

The idea that the Rebels did get word out that Palpatine had been killed at Endor did force the propaganda machine to acknowledge the Emperor's death, which is why when Rogue Squadron arrived some two years later, the propaganda film gave a presentation as Endor being something like Palpatine sacrificing himself for the greater good.
 
Ithekro said:
I think that is mentioned in the novels. A Rebel cell in one on the non-human quarters got word, staged a celebratory protest, knocked down a statue (and a few Stormtroopers), and than got totally crushed by the ISB and more Stormtroopers. This was explain in one of the later novels. The Stackpole ones were before the Special Edition came out.

The idea that the Rebels did get word out that Palpatine had been killed at Endor did force the propaganda machine to acknowledge the Emperor's death, which is why when Rogue Squadron arrived some two years later, the propaganda film gave a presentation as Endor being something like Palpatine sacrificing himself for the greater good.
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Interesting.
 
The short, short version of it from the Wookieepedia on the Legends version of the Battle of Endor:

A Galactic Museum exhibit presented the Second Death Star as a weapon of the Rebel Alliance, rather than the Empire, and portrayed Palpatine and Darth Vader as heroes who sacrificed themselves to destroy the battle station after attempts at peaceful negotiations failed. Although it presented a far stretch from the truth, even Wedge Antilles, who visited the exhibit while undercover on Coruscant, felt it was as compelling as the true history
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How the Rebels managed to build a Second Death Star is unclear. It would make it seem like the first one was from Aldaraan.
 
Ithekro said:
The short, short version of it from the Wookieepedia on the Legends version of the Battle of Endor:



How the Rebels managed to build a Second Death Star is unclear. It would make it seem like the first one was from Aldaraan.
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It might almost be worth reading the book now. But, in any case, yeah, the whole celebratory action on Coruscant always struck me as quite odd. Despite criticisms to the contrary, I think the slow growth of the New Republic from the Empire is more realistic in the ST, and planets throwing in behind the First Order would make sense. Especially if the propaganda machine was that effective.
 
The EU had the Civil War continue for about two decades after Endor, though the New Republic effectively had won by securing Coruscant within three years of the victory at Endor, and later defeating Thrawn and the reborn Emperor by seven years after Endor. After that the threats were just that, threats. Only Thrawn's campaign through to the Emperor's Dark Empire posed a real threat to the New Republic from the Empire after Coruscant was secured.

In the ST, it seems the Empire surrendered just a little over a year after Endor after Palpatine's contingency plan...to burn everything...switch a lot of loyalists away from the Empire, and the massive fleet battle over Jakku sealed it. What happens after that? Well, it seems a lot of vacuum of power. The Empire falls back to certain regions by treaty or runs out to the Rim and Unknown Regions to hide, while the New Republic just doesn't have the resources and government fully in place to deal with the Galaxy, yet. That and they seem to disarm and revoke the Emergency Power Acts (finally) granted the Chancellor during the Clone Wars. Reducing the Republic Navy down to a much, much smaller force than it has been since the Clone Wars started. It is still larger than pre-Clone Wars...since there wasn't a Republic Navy at that time, but probably no larger that say one or two of the Jedi's fleets during the war. And they had twenty fleets during the war.
 
Ithekro said:
While the older EU novels I think had Palpatine is robes and all, it would make sense for him to use old holos of himself as Chancellor (before the end of the Clone Wars) and aged up to remain believable, rather than scare people with his actual visage. They could even spin Darth Vader into heroics, should they need to (though he was likely kept as quiet most of the time. The Enforcer is not someone the public needs to be aware of....until he arrives).
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I can't remember where, but I think I read in a book somewhere that Palpatine did show his face after Revenge of the Sith, and he blamed the way he looked on the Jedi's betrayal. Which is actually not a lie, it just leaves out the whole evil Sith Lord part of the story.
 
JD said:
I can't remember where, but I think I read in a book somewhere that Palpatine did show his face after Revenge of the Sith, and he blamed the way he looked on the Jedi's betrayal. Which is actually not a lie, it just leaves out the whole evil Sith Lord part of the story.
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Well, in Revenge of the Sith he gives that speech that announces the first Galactic Empire, and he cites the attack leaving him scarred.
 
fireproof78 said:
Which is both funny and now very odd to me, because in the Special Edition Coruscant is show celebrating the Emperor's death.
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If I remember right, the old EU retconned it by having the Empire crack down on the demonstrations within minutes of the end of the scene.

edit: and as usual I've been beaten to it
 
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fireproof78 said:
Well, in Revenge of the Sith he gives that speech that announces the first Galactic Empire, and he cites the attack leaving him scarred.
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Which is why it kind of bothers me how he appears holographically to Ezra in Rebels looking roughly the way he did at the beginning of ROTS. That Empire Day speech was broadcast. Unless Ezra's supposed to assume that he got his face fixed with some spiffy GFFA tech?
 
Perhaps in the last decade the propaganda bureau, or the Emperor, decided to make up a story of him getting reconstructive surgery to fix his face and used that ever since. His Chancellor face was always more reassuring to the public than any scare looking old man with yellow eyes.
 
fireproof78 said:
Interesting.
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It's not interesting. It's more EU bullshit and, in this case, it specifically tries to walk back the intent of the films, which should be out of bounds.

Look, I wasn't happy with the dumbass "celebration" scenes added in the ROTJ: SE, but I don't think any EU hack should have come along to deliberately rewrite Lucas. Lucas is allowed to make dumb decisions, but hack EU writers aren't.
 
Crewman6 said:
It's not interesting. It's more EU bullshit and, in this case, it specifically tries to walk back the intent of the films, which should be out of bounds.

Look, I wasn't happy with the dumbass "celebration" scenes added in the ROTJ: SE, but I don't think any EU hack should have come along to deliberately rewrite Lucas. Lucas is allowed to make dumb decisions, but hack EU writers aren't.
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In the current canon (one of the Aftermath novels), the Coruscant Security Forces arrived after the protesters toppled the statue. The troopers were suppose to restore order but instead started firing into the crowd, sparking a full on riot. Coruscant was surrendered to the New Republic at the end of the war a year later after Jakku.
 
Crewman6 said:
I've discovered it's very, very, very easy to ignore SW spinoff material if you don't like it.
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Plus, don’t forget that this is one character’s interpretation of events. Doesn’t mean it actually happened that way.
 
fireproof78 said:
Well, in Revenge of the Sith he gives that speech that announces the first Galactic Empire, and he cites the attack leaving him scarred.
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No, I'm pretty sure this was something I read, not RoTS. My first thought would be Lost Stars, but I'm no positive.
 
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