I personally had no issues with that scene. It all felt very character driven and mythic in tone .
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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"greatest regret" (happened offscreen years ago, concocted by a lazy screenwriter trying to be cool .. it's great stuff.
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Hollywood didn't invent it.
What did you want? 30 years of sunshine and happiness? For a plot to happen, things have to happen and set them in motion. It gave Kylo actual reasons to turn on the Jedi and his family other than he just decided to be evil because he was supposed to be like Anakin did. Luke’s failure works unlike Obi-Wan’s because we’re just told it happened and Anakin is basically good until he hears a vague story about how Sith might be able to stop death, then he slaughters children.
It's funny. When the books did it it's fine. The movies do it not fine...
I'm 99% positive that almost all of the people who complain about things like Luke being a crotchety old hermit who gave up on the galaxy and Han and Leia being estranged are unnecessarily ignorant (I say "unnecessarily" because it's not that hard to do research) of the actual timeline of events - as revealed by auxiliary Canon materials and comments from individuals directly employed by Lucasfilm - between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi.
It's spelled "Yoda"
What did I want? I wanted a Star Wars film, you know.. heroes, villains. etc. The characters in star Wars are simplistic, iconic and archetypal.. they have been for 40 years.. they are not shallow.. but also not to deep.. the original trilogy the writers peppered in the development over time, sprinkling it in.. but this movie feels that a 30 year time jump alone is reason enough to completely upend what these characters were about. Imagine Steve Rodgers, now a hero to many young film goings, and years form now we see him drinking titty milk and not caring, .. yeah that would suck. The film "explains" why Luke is like this .. but in my opinion it doesn't "convince" us that he would do be like this, let alone the fact that by the time we get to the "explanation" 2/3 into the film (which is already a tonal mess) we already determined that he is rude and unlikeable. "Oh it's more realistic that he would be this way.." screw that.. stories.. and cinematic storytelling, isn't always about realism..I think one of the best tools a storyteller has is familiarity .. working off that.
One thing they could have done was have Luke pass on as a hero, always selfless, enerv leaving his friends and family.. and then the future SW movies could have the heroic characters using him as a measuring rod, can anyone live up to him and what he did.. that he was not just a good Jedi, but that he was able to see beyond their dogmatic views and see the importance of family? That way they don't screw up a legacy character. I don't know that's just me. And you can still have your angst and cynicism audiences today love so much. I personally think that the genius of the original trilogy was the simplicity, the straightforward storytelling.. that might not suit every kind of story, but it suited SW very well .. and in the process people walked out of those films with big smiles.. they were eager to collect some of the incredible toys
One thing they could have done was have Luke pass on as a hero, always selfless, enerv leaving his friends and family.. and then the future SW movies could have the heroic characters using him as a measuring rod, can anyone live up to him and what he did.. that he was not just a good Jedi, but that he was able to see beyond their dogmatic views and see the importance of family? That way they don't screw up a legacy character. I don't know that's just me. And you can still have your angst and cynicism audiences today love so much. I personally think that the genius of the original trilogy was the simplicity, the straightforward storytelling.. that might not suit every kind of story, but it suited SW very well .. and in the process people walked out of those films with big smiles.. they were eager to collect some of the incredible toys
He did pass on as a hero, saving what was left of the Resistance. Him having flaws doesn’t change that.
not before he was an asshole.. so by the time we get to his wimpy "I'm not really there a sacrifice at the end.. the viewer still believes him to be an asshole. And seriously TWO title crawls building to Luke doing something and that was it?? WTF WT BLOODY Resistance. I mean the new republic did nothing in 30 years to ensure that the victory over the empire was worth anything.. they a re a bunch of cowards who did not fight for what they won
I didn’t see him as an asshole. I saw him as someone who had struggles in his life. I didn’t need for him to have a fairytale life.
Well drinking and smiling through his titty milk, patronizing Rey, and leaving the entire galaxy, and even thinking about killing his nephew without talking to him, with even talking to Han or Leia about it.. make him an asshole. And.. Lucas said himself that he made the original films for the first generation growing up without fairy tales. so whatever bro. If you like asshole characters why not watch the "Boys" Why does SW have to be like every other fucking thing out there. SW was .. and I mean WAS... always a cut above cynicism
Oh and the people that want to defend Luke .. also can't deny that he is like a footnote subplot in a movie that is comprised of four completely useless garbage fire subplots
I did watch The Boys, good stuff. If you can’t see the difference in Luke having a moment of weakness and the characters in The Boys, I don’t know what to tell you.
A moment of weakness? WTF are you talking about. This is Luke.. the guy that would go rescue his father when his two mentors told him to kill him. WTF .. Luke would not kill his nephew sleeping nephew would not even think about... Plus, , "Snoke got to him first" we don't see any of that .. we see nothing and by the film's own admission Snoke is not a character he is a cypher.
by the film's own admission, Snoke is a cypher. He's not a character. And Rian affirmed it by his "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" idea.. no matter what theory you came up with that went into the lore of SW it was wrong.. because HE DID NOT CARE AND HE DID NOT WRITE A BACKSTORY FOR HIM AT ALL. So=noke was a cypher just meant to further Kylo's story. But it doesn't work because unlike the OT, the new trilogy is a sequel to an already built out world so context and world building and placement is all important and cannot be dismissed . Also, while Snoke is unimportant except to give Kylo a journey to supreme leader, he IS important because in the flashbacks it is because of Snoke (and some underwritten scenes that we never see ) that cause Luke to even think about killing his own nephew ... something Luke would not do. and the movie does not earn this plot development. So.. Snoke bashing IS appropriate
it's all about storytelling.. and storytelling is all about how well something is executed
it's all about storytelling.. and storytelling is all about how well something is executed
But “good storytelling” varies person to person. I had no issues with how the sequel trilogy has handled Luke’s character.
First of all, Star Wars has a very formal style to it. Everything down to the use of old-timey wipes. It's something that really needs to be maintained in order to feel authentic. The use of a visual flashback of any kind violated that filmic language (as did the timelapse shot of seedlings coming from the ground).
I now hear there will be several flashbacks in Episode IX as well so they are pretty far off the rails now.
There were many times when OT characters talked about the past, but the dialogue had to carry the exposition alone. That's how it should be done. So on a purely stylistic basis alone, the flashback was a FAIL.