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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

because i ain't going to believe that spin that he approved it. later in his life he also approved of a lot of dumb ass shit. sometimes the creator fails to understand their own creation if enough time passes (and they become billionaires whoa re no longer young and hungry)
 
You do realize that Luke was only hiding away on Ach-To for a maximum of 5 years, right?

And Lucas conceiving of, proposing, and approving of Luke as a hermit isn't "spin"; it's a behind-the-scenes truth nugget confirmed by individuals directly involved with the films' production and therefore does not require you believing in its validity to make it valid.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
well of course you did not take into account any of the context of the RotJ scene. The word "provoked" never entered your vocabulary. the idea that the writers of RotJ were ending the story by challenging the hero.. putting it all on the line.. showing us what could (but ultimately didn't) cause him to snap. Because you do those kinds of things as all threads come together in your climax. But the execution such as it was in TLJ was piss poor. 30 year time gaps ans snoke "getting to him first" don't cover it, because in the film's own admission,
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I get it just fine, thanks.

Heroes can be challenged multiple times, and can fail. What they do with that failure is what defines them. I'll take TLJ Luke and struggling with failure, thanks. You do not have to like it :)
 
And I'm not throwing shade on Lucas. He can do whatever he wants. He could make three jar jar binks in his films. I'll respect the man I have no respect for Rian Johnson..
 
besides the flashback scenes.. poorly directed. i remember watching it the first time thinking.. man that de-aging effect looks terrible .. especially shot form that angle (odd, considering he looked hine on Crait with that projection) , and the technique of two versions and the truth went out with 80's sitcoms./. it's not a good storytelling technique. But mainly it just looks like he shot the scene on PICK-UP SET a weekend two weeks before he had to deliver the film.. yet it is the MOST IMPORTANT SCENE IN THE FRANCHISE
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
But mainly it just looks like he shot the scene on PICK-UP SET a weekend two weeks before he had to deliver the film.. yet it is the MOST IMPORTANT SCENE IN THE FRANCHISE
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Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
besides the flashback scenes.. poorly directed. i remember watching it the first time thinking.. man that de-aging effect looks terrible .. especially shot form that angle (odd, considering he looked hine on Crait with that projection) , and the technique of two versions and the truth went out with 80's sitcoms./. it's not a good storytelling technique. But mainly it just looks like he shot the scene on PICK-UP SET a weekend two weeks before he had to deliver the film.. yet it is the MOST IMPORTANT SCENE IN THE FRANCHISE
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So? Tears in the Rain from Blade Runner was an ad-lib. Movie production is a complicated system that involves constant change up until the very last minute. Who cares when they shot a scene other than you digging for a reason to keep rambling on about how much you hate TLJ because you have nothing else to think about.
 
crookeddy said:
I love how people are complaining about the movie being predictable when the majority of people are yelling at how disrespectful the movie was for subverting their expectations. Goes to show that it's best not to listen to fans at all, because they have no idea what they want.
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Well, I'm just a casual fan so I don't sweat it as much as hardcore fans do. I happen to like unexpected. Surprise me. And there were a number of things I thought we're weak about TLJ. Other than TPM I found it to be the weakest Star Wars film. Thus far.
 
If I thought TLJ was a bad movie...and I'm not even sure I have an opinion on that per se...then I at least wouldn't blame it for surprising the audience, even if the surprises weren't necessarily welcome.

People who want to watch SW movies without surprises are welcome to rewatch the ones that they've already seen. :)

TPM was pretty terrible though. Ironically at the time I dubbed it "Disney does Star Wars".
 
Awesome Possum said:
So? Tears in the Rain from Blade Runner was an ad-lib. Movie production is a complicated system that involves constant change up until the very last minute. Who cares when they shot a scene other than you digging for a reason to keep rambling on about how much you hate TLJ because you have nothing else to think about.
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sure, ad libs, and late set ups can be incorporated into a film well.. like the example you gave as well as pick ups from most films.. LoTR was replete with pick ups that fit in seamlessly. But I remember sitting in the theater about to puke at how badly the flashback of luke was done. He looks like a digital snowman So just because it CAN work, or that it has worked, doesn't mean it DID work in this cse.. your semantic argument is not an argument.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
sure, ad libs, and late set ups can be incorporated into a film well.. like the example you gave as well as pick ups from most films.. LoTR was replete with pick ups that fit in seamlessly. But I remember sitting in the theater about to puke at how badly the flashback of luke was done. He looks like a digital snowman So just because it CAN work, or that it has worked, doesn't mean it DID work in this cse.. your semantic argument is not an argument.
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This argument is also highly subjective since I have heard many complaints about that scene but never about the cinematography or the editing.
 
well probably because of what the scene is -- Luke striking his nephew (or thinking of doing so) while he sleeps) the subject matter of which ahs long implications. However.. I WILL complain about cinematography and editing as well as content.. because ... well, I remember it taking me out of the film.. I honestly believed that the scene was a joke at first, or that I wanted it to be over (this is in the SAME MOVIE THAT HAD LEIA FLYING IN SPACE LIKE MARY POPPINS and the cringe factor was already high) and secondly I believe that films are all about how they are executed. I honestly what most people complained about .. I'll tell you how i felt. You know if Nolan had delivered the same shot in one of his films people would notice it
 
I thought it was a powerful scene representing Luke’s greatest regret, the thing that broke him. But eventually drove him to try and make things right by confronting his nephew and sacrificing himself to save the Resistance and by extension the Galaxy.
 
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