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The Last Airbender - Grading & Discussion

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The way you latch onto a beard as supposed evidence that Katara and Sokka aren't meant to be Inuit, despite everything about their entire culture clearly being Inuit, is kind of silly.

This sort of casting is part and parcel of a particularly pernicious pattern (let's see how long I can keep this going) in Hollywood, one that has offended quite a few people, particularly Asian-Americans for whom this series was a very significant deal.
 
Well, the issue with the casting is that everyone in their village is clearly inuit, while just Sokka, Katara, and her grandmother are white. I understand that there are spoilery reasons for it being this way, but just watching the movie it looks dumb as hell if it's not explained. I don't mind the races being different, I thought it was really cool that the fire nation was made indian and the earth nation was made asian while the air nation was some kind of latino/black culture. But why make just the poor souther water nation inuit, while the main characters from that same village white? It would have made a million times more sense to have the southern water village also be filled with white people.

It seems to be a symptom of a larger problem with this movie, which is that no on knew what the fuck was going on. The horrible dialog and acting being the other two big hints. Where was the voice of reason on set to tell them that this was an extremely retarded idea.? If I saw this type of thing in a parody film I would have thought it was a pretty clever joke about how stupid the level of white washing in films can get. Here it's presented straight faced because the creators are just to stupid to figure out what's wrong with the picture.

Oh yeah... and the pronunciation. If you're going to fucking change the pronunciation of the names (and even some stuff that like Avatar which is just a word), at least be smart enough to not randomly change the pronunciation back. Also that final shot of that kid... what was he supposed to show as he did his inexplicable pose? What were we as the audience supposed to feel seeing this pose? Which wasn't even explained since they said he had to bow back to accept his role as the Avatar. All we get is some pathetic kid looking like he got diarrhea while doing jazz hands. That shot was the perfect bird shit cherry on this dog shit sundae of a film.

I can accept a movie as a stand alone apart from a series, I actually enjoyed Aliens 3 as a stand alone thriller. But even as a separate movie... TLA is horrible. I don't remember the last time I wanted to actually walk out of a theater. I don't remember the last time I watched a movie and laughed so much at a parts I wasn't supposed to, and cringed during the supposedly funny parts. The 2nd half of the movie wasn't as bad as the first half, but overall it was just a horrible horrible film. This film reminded me of Troll 2, except it doesn't have the excuse of being made by amateurs on a tiny budget without a pre-existing story. It's really an irredeemable piece of garbage.

I used to wish that they'd continue the Unbreakable series because I really enjoyed the first film and ranked it as one of the best super hero films ever. Now I hope a worm hole removes Shamylan from our timeline so we can live in a better world where TLA is actually a decent film.

But I suppose we're just not getting his style right?
 
Yeah, well you just check back on that total in three weeks.

This sucker is a bomb.
I'll check back for sure and lucky for me regardless of how its done 21 days later I'm right you are wrong.
Simply cause you don't know how to define a box office bomb.
 
Above Average

I stopped reading through the thread cause it was a 'Debbie Downer' from nearly 90% posting here. For a board dominated by Democrat Libs who like to claim tolerance, acceptance and other hand holding "lets all get along" and "Peace, Peace, Peace" movies like this show the true colors.

No one was supposed to be mad Michael Clarke Duncan was Kingpin. Jessice Alba as Invisible Woman was touted as a barrier breaker and who knows what other examples lurk those just pop to mind.

If your not bitching about PC bullshit then your mad its not a straight up honest to god frame by frame adaptation. God, you people should just stay the fuck home, play Call of Duty 4 and watch the Daily Show on a damn loop. Let the rest of us enjoy life.

As for the movie itself I found it enjoyable. Not a home run, Above Average or B/B- grade. Starts slow but in hindsight its due to Ang not being fully versed as the Avatar and all the 'bending' he can do. Good set up for a saga. As each book comes out, which I hope it does, the action and drama should kick up as Ang grows more powerful(I assume it does in the cartoon). Does the flying Neverending Story creature have a power beyond flight and brute strength?

I saw it in 3-D but didn't think it warranted it, see it in regular cinema if you can. That is more of a gripe than anything else I have.

I think M.Night put out a good movie and I hope it does well enough to warrant Book Two: Earth.
Sounds like you're just generally upset with the overly cynical nature of online reviews. I don't think you meant it directly personal but rather generally speaking.

I can empathize and not offended in any way.
 
Because it's not about characters, it's about the real live people who get paid to play them. It's an employment issue. Ideally you want people of all ethnicities to get a fair and equal chance to make a living as actors. But in classic fictional franchises like comic books, the overwhelming majority of characters are Caucasian due to the racial biases of the past. Therefore, casting them based strictly on the original ethnicities would deprive nonwhite actors of employment opportunities. Conversely, in those all-too-few cases where prominent characters are nonwhite, if you preferentially cast white actors in them, that also constitutes employment discrimination.

So you're dead wrong to call it a double standard. It's the exact same standard -- the desire to see fair hiring practices -- applied to two different scenarios. Your mistake is in thinking it's about the characters. It's not, because characters aren't real and don't have to feed their families. It's about real human beings and their right to fair employment opportunities.

So - when a caucasian actor wants a job portraying a character of different ethnicity, he can't have that job.
But, if a non-caucasian actor wants a job portraying a caucasian character, he is more than entitled to that job.

Christopher, this IS a double standard.
It may be founded on the desire to give every ethnicity an equal chance; this doesn't change the fact that it is a double standard - a non-caucasian actor can have a certain type of job (play caucasian characters), while a caucasian actor can't have the same type of job (play non-caucasian characters) because he's white - and other caucasian actors (strangers) have jobs (which changes nothing for him).

Ironically, Christopher, what you're advocating is racial discrimination.

Didn't you know......only white people can be racist.

:wtf:


But thank you. Good to know there is one more sane, sensibly thinking person here. Ironically, this kind of affirmative action is actually discriminatory to the ethnicity being "aided". It assumes they are helpless and need a "hand up".
It allowed women & the disabled join the NYC Firefighters.
A job they were both discriminated and denied entery into even if they did pass the written & physical exams. After 9/11 and the loss of so many Firefighters, they could no longer afford to limit themselves to make up those numbers lost.
 
Above Average

I stopped reading through the thread cause it was a 'Debbie Downer' from nearly 90% posting here. For a board dominated by Democrat Libs who like to claim tolerance, acceptance and other hand holding "lets all get along" and "Peace, Peace, Peace" movies like this show the true colors.

No one was supposed to be mad Michael Clarke Duncan was Kingpin. Jessice Alba as Invisible Woman was touted as a barrier breaker and who knows what other examples lurk those just pop to mind.

If your not bitching about PC bullshit then your mad its not a straight up honest to god frame by frame adaptation. God, you people should just stay the fuck home, play Call of Duty 4 and watch the Daily Show on a damn loop. Let the rest of us enjoy life.

As for the movie itself I found it enjoyable. Not a home run, Above Average or B/B- grade. Starts slow but in hindsight its due to Ang not being fully versed as the Avatar and all the 'bending' he can do. Good set up for a saga. As each book comes out, which I hope it does, the action and drama should kick up as Ang grows more powerful(I assume it does in the cartoon). Does the flying Neverending Story creature have a power beyond flight and brute strength?

I saw it in 3-D but didn't think it warranted it, see it in regular cinema if you can. That is more of a gripe than anything else I have.

I think M.Night put out a good movie and I hope it does well enough to warrant Book Two: Earth.
Sounds like you're just generally upset with the overly cynical nature of online reviews. I don't think you meant it directly personal but rather generally speaking.

I can empathize and not offended in any way.
That is it in a nut shell. I didn't mention any poster here by name just noted the negatives being tossed at the movie don't relate to the movie itself by and large. A few instantly took offense and I let it go. Thanks! :techman:
 
Above Average

I stopped reading through the thread cause it was a 'Debbie Downer' from nearly 90% posting here. For a board dominated by Democrat Libs who like to claim tolerance, acceptance and other hand holding "lets all get along" and "Peace, Peace, Peace" movies like this show the true colors.

No one was supposed to be mad Michael Clarke Duncan was Kingpin. Jessice Alba as Invisible Woman was touted as a barrier breaker and who knows what other examples lurk those just pop to mind.

If your not bitching about PC bullshit then your mad its not a straight up honest to god frame by frame adaptation. God, you people should just stay the fuck home, play Call of Duty 4 and watch the Daily Show on a damn loop. Let the rest of us enjoy life.

As for the movie itself I found it enjoyable. Not a home run, Above Average or B/B- grade. Starts slow but in hindsight its due to Ang not being fully versed as the Avatar and all the 'bending' he can do. Good set up for a saga. As each book comes out, which I hope it does, the action and drama should kick up as Ang grows more powerful(I assume it does in the cartoon). Does the flying Neverending Story creature have a power beyond flight and brute strength?

I saw it in 3-D but didn't think it warranted it, see it in regular cinema if you can. That is more of a gripe than anything else I have.

I think M.Night put out a good movie and I hope it does well enough to warrant Book Two: Earth.
Sounds like you're just generally upset with the overly cynical nature of online reviews. I don't think you meant it directly personal but rather generally speaking.

I can empathize and not offended in any way.
That is it in a nut shell. I didn't mention any poster here by name just noted the negatives being tossed at the movie don't relate to the movie itself by and large. A few instantly took offense and I let it go. Thanks! :techman:

These racial terms shouldn't be a big deal. Demo or Consertative...we've been through the racial issues. It's the on line community that is bring it back and up over and over again.

I remember the criticism of the blind side on the internet is that it was racially deep. I rather think that the Blindside represents our leaving behind those racial issues as things we need to talk about.
 
These racial terms shouldn't be a big deal. Demo or Consertative...we've been through the racial issues. It's the on line community that is bring it back and up over and over again.

I remember the criticism of the blind side on the internet is that it was racially deep. I rather think that the Blindside represents our leaving behind those racial issues as things we need to talk about.
No, not at all. Race is still a pervasive factor in society; not talking about it just benefits the status quo.
 
Above Average

I stopped reading through the thread cause it was a 'Debbie Downer' from nearly 90% posting here. For a board dominated by Democrat Libs who like to claim tolerance, acceptance and other hand holding "lets all get along" and "Peace, Peace, Peace" movies like this show the true colors.

No one was supposed to be mad Michael Clarke Duncan was Kingpin. Jessice Alba as Invisible Woman was touted as a barrier breaker and who knows what other examples lurk those just pop to mind.

If your not bitching about PC bullshit then your mad its not a straight up honest to god frame by frame adaptation. God, you people should just stay the fuck home, play Call of Duty 4 and watch the Daily Show on a damn loop. Let the rest of us enjoy life.

As for the movie itself I found it enjoyable. Not a home run, Above Average or B/B- grade. Starts slow but in hindsight its due to Ang not being fully versed as the Avatar and all the 'bending' he can do. Good set up for a saga. As each book comes out, which I hope it does, the action and drama should kick up as Ang grows more powerful(I assume it does in the cartoon). Does the flying Neverending Story creature have a power beyond flight and brute strength?

I saw it in 3-D but didn't think it warranted it, see it in regular cinema if you can. That is more of a gripe than anything else I have.

I think M.Night put out a good movie and I hope it does well enough to warrant Book Two: Earth.
Sounds like you're just generally upset with the overly cynical nature of online reviews. I don't think you meant it directly personal but rather generally speaking.

I can empathize and not offended in any way.
That is it in a nut shell. I didn't mention any poster here by name just noted the negatives being tossed at the movie don't relate to the movie itself by and large. A few instantly took offense and I let it go. Thanks! :techman:

So now you are backing away from your trolling. :rolleyes:

I could have started a review of a movie on a complete tangent on how Republicans are drooling morons who hide beneath their mattresses with their guns held firmly against their neither regions, but that would be a gross mis-characterization that would only serve to troll Republicans on this board and one that I think actually is only a pertinent description in one case in this thread.
 
Above Average

I stopped reading through the thread cause it was a 'Debbie Downer' from nearly 90% posting here. For a board dominated by Democrat Libs who like to claim tolerance, acceptance and other hand holding "lets all get along" and "Peace, Peace, Peace" movies like this show the true colors.

No one was supposed to be mad Michael Clarke Duncan was Kingpin. Jessice Alba as Invisible Woman was touted as a barrier breaker and who knows what other examples lurk those just pop to mind.

If your not bitching about PC bullshit then your mad its not a straight up honest to god frame by frame adaptation. God, you people should just stay the fuck home, play Call of Duty 4 and watch the Daily Show on a damn loop. Let the rest of us enjoy life.

As for the movie itself I found it enjoyable. Not a home run, Above Average or B/B- grade. Starts slow but in hindsight its due to Ang not being fully versed as the Avatar and all the 'bending' he can do. Good set up for a saga. As each book comes out, which I hope it does, the action and drama should kick up as Ang grows more powerful(I assume it does in the cartoon). Does the flying Neverending Story creature have a power beyond flight and brute strength?

I saw it in 3-D but didn't think it warranted it, see it in regular cinema if you can. That is more of a gripe than anything else I have.

I think M.Night put out a good movie and I hope it does well enough to warrant Book Two: Earth.
Sounds like you're just generally upset with the overly cynical nature of online reviews. I don't think you meant it directly personal but rather generally speaking.

I can empathize and not offended in any way.
That is it in a nut shell. I didn't mention any poster here by name just noted the negatives being tossed at the movie don't relate to the movie itself by and large. A few instantly took offense and I let it go. Thanks! :techman:
Frankly, I think you been posting here long enough for enough folks here to know you meant nothing personal by it..................or at least, I know you well enough to know that.
 
These racial terms shouldn't be a big deal. Demo or Consertative...we've been through the racial issues. It's the on line community that is bring it back and up over and over again.

I remember the criticism of the blind side on the internet is that it was racially deep. I rather think that the Blindside represents our leaving behind those racial issues as things we need to talk about.
No, not at all. Race is still a pervasive factor in society; not talking about it just benefits the status quo.

Theres nothing wrong with level headed talk. But movies don't talk they provoke.
 
The way you latch onto a beard as supposed evidence that Katara and Sokka aren't meant to be Inuit, despite everything about their entire culture clearly being Inuit, is kind of silly.

This sort of casting is part and parcel of a particularly pernicious pattern (let's see how long I can keep this going) in Hollywood, one that has offended quite a few people, particularly Asian-Americans for whom this series was a very significant deal.
No I'm latching onto a a beard to show that the characters were not depicted as the races you seem to be obsessed with. The cartoon characters didn't look like Innuit, why are you so concerned that the live action ones do?

You're reading something into the tv show that isn't there, and you're reading a level of racism into the casting that isn't there.

That you are more concerned with a "pernicious pattern" as your evidence as opposed to anything shown onscreen shows your own bias.

The fact that the characters looked nothing like Innuit but you are pigeonholing them racially because they lived in igloos (had nothing to do with living at the pole of course) is your own racial profiling.

You see the show and need to slot races into cultural profiles and of course you can't look in the mirror and see the conceit in that.
 
The fact that the characters looked nothing like Innuit
Except they do look like Inuit. And Hakoda has a beard, which may or may not be in keeping with that; that one single potential divergence does not outweigh everything else. They're fantasy-Inuit. The creators have said as much, just as all the other Nations (and subgroups within them) have clear cultural counterparts.
 
Okay. I've now seen it. My opinion?

I love the show. Adore it. Consider it to be the best animated series ever, and one of the greatest shows ever. It has action. It has comedy. It has spirituality. I even took the movie's release as an excuse to rewatch all of Book One before seeing the film.

Well, that was a mistake.

The movie needed at least another hour just for the sake of making the plot coherent. Frankly, I was surprised Shymalan didn't just make Katara and Sokka Northern Water tribe just so he could get there even faster and make a 45 minute movie. The man should not be allowed to write a film. I'll admit that his art direction is gorgeous and atmospheric. He just can't write.

What was up with the pronunciation of "Aang", "Sokka" and "Iroh"? Or "Agni-Ki"? Why change it? There was no point to that. it was change for the sake of change. It's like going to a Star Trek movie and having them say "Mr. Spoke". And where was Avatar Roku? Aang needs that "Obi-Wan"-like guidance. And not from a big, smoky, poorly-animated dragon.

The acting was a bit on the stiff side, I'll admit. But that was the least of the movie's flaws. It lost the humour, the spirit of the show.

In the end, sad though it makes me to say, part of me is glad this is probably going to be the last movie...

I don't want to see the travesty Shymalan would make of Toph.
 
Here's an explanation from racial issues website Racebending about why they objected to the movie:

I’d like the chance to explain what Racebending.com is about. Why are we boycotting Paramount’s The Last Airbender? Why are we angry about the production’s casting practices?
I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding here and my hope is that if you have the time to read my piece, you’ll find that we’re reasonable folks with valid concerns. We’re not just whistle-blowing PC police or crazy “reverse racists.”
Even if I don’t convince you to go out and buy a Racebending shirt, I hope that by the end, you respect our position more, and can understand where we’re coming from even if you don’t agree.
If you’re pressed for time and the length of this piece annoys you, we have a five-minute video series explaining our position, though it won’t address everything in this piece: http://www.racebending.com/v3/featured/the-last-airbender-film-how-to-talk-about-it-video-series/”>Why Are People Upset About Airbender?

WHY THIS ISSUE MATTERS
Sometimes it’s hard to see why something as trivial as a film matters. Why video games are important or how comic books can shape our lives.
In a given week, the average American child spends less than forty minutes in meaningful conversation with their parents. In the same week, he or she will also spend sixteen hundred and eighty minutes watching television.
In a given year, an American child will spend 900 hours in school – and 1500 hours watching television.
(source: http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health.html by Norman Herr, PhD Professor of Science and Education)
Clearly, children spend a great deal of time consuming media. It helps shape how they view the world and themselves. In the states, we find it very easy to fight the gender stereotypes they may be exposed to. We tell our daughters that they can grow up to be doctors or lawyers or presidents, and that they are just as capable as any boy.
But in America, we’re very skittish about the subject of race. We like to stick to vague statements like “Everybody is equal” – a lofty and admirable statement, to be sure, but abstract and tough for a child to grasp.
When we don’t talk to our children about race, they draw their own conclusions, and one of their main sources of information about the world is media.
The kind of concepts children internalize about themselves is demonstrated in a study known as the doll test, initially conducted to help end segregation in the states, and performed again in more recent years:
http://www.racebending.com/v3/background/do-children-see-race/
AREN’T WE ALL EQUAL NOW?
About once a month, someone asks me some variant of this question: “Where are you from?”
“San Diego,” I’ll say.
“No,” comes the response. “Where are you REALLY from?”
There are more folks of Asian descent living in the United States than there are people in the entire country of Holland. My English is flawless (insofar as I’m a Californian with zealous overuse of the word “like”). Many of the folks who ask me this question I consider friends. And I’m not saying “Oh, look how racist everyone is.”
What I am saying is that Asian Americans aren’t really thought of as American. One of my close friends has a straight-up Brooklyn accent. He was telling a coworker that he used to serve in the army.
The response?
“Oh, cool. The Chinese army?”
It’s easy to draw comparisons between the Airbender casting and an English actor playing an Irish one, or a Spanish actor playing an Italian actor. But it’s not really the same, and the reason is that Hollywood and media don’t consider whether an actor is Irish or Spanish or English. They think of that actor as “white.” The same is not true of actors who are Asian or Latino, who have to fight over the few roles specifically written for those ethnicities. And a lot of times, even when a role is steeped in Asian culture, even when a role is based on real-life individuals of Asian descent, those roles still go to white actors.


An Open Letter to Racebending.com Detractors
 
As I've said many times, I agree with the principle of the protestors such as Racebending.com, and I initially shared their concerns about this movie, but I think the facts that have since come out demonstrate that the concerns in this particular case were exaggerated. The film's cast is actually reasonably diverse, and the actors getting the most praise are South Asian while two of the three main white actors are barely a significant presence in the film. So I don't think this film will make nonwhite viewers feel marginalized. Not to mention that this film is likely to disappear quickly from the cultural landscape and not have that great an influence anyway.

Vigilance is good, but continuing to criticize in a case where the criticism turns out to be undeserved is a misuse of energy. Indeed, I'd say making too much of a fuss over this movie one way or the other is a misuse of energy. Let's just let it fade away and refocus our attention on the brilliance that was the animated series.
 
TLAB was actually anything but racially monotone. Just because there wasn't a rhyme or reason to who was what in the movie is the fault of our own expectation. I expected this to be a Live action representation of the Series in realistic proportion.

Instead this is an almost child like view of people in this universe where it simply doesn't matter what race are. It's as though a drama teacher casted not based on look but ability.
 
As I've said many times, I agree with the principle of the protestors such as Racebending.com, and I initially shared their concerns about this movie, but I think the facts that have since come out demonstrate that the concerns in this particular case were exaggerated. The film's cast is actually reasonably diverse, and the actors getting the most praise are South Asian while two of the three main white actors are barely a significant presence in the film. So I don't think this film will make nonwhite viewers feel marginalized. Not to mention that this film is likely to disappear quickly from the cultural landscape and not have that great an influence anyway.

Vigilance is good, but continuing to criticize in a case where the criticism turns out to be undeserved is a misuse of energy. Indeed, I'd say making too much of a fuss over this movie one way or the other is a misuse of energy. Let's just let it fade away and refocus our attention on the brilliance that was the animated series.

Wiser words have never been spoken; wish that the hyperactive, hypercritical, and hyper fanatical bunch at Racebending and at Racialcious would wise the frack up, calm down, and listen. But of course, they won't.
 
^Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the concerns they raised weren't legitimate. It's an important issue that needs to be addressed, and the early, incomplete information we got about the film did raise questions that it was right to ask. I'm just saying that the answers we eventually got to those questions were reassuring. The goal should be to get to the truth, not to cling inflexibly to one's initial position and close one's mind to new information. After all, that's how we overcome racial prejudice and mistrust: by opening our minds and listening.
 
Okay. I've now seen it. My opinion?

I love the show. Adore it. Consider it to be the best animated series ever, and one of the greatest shows ever. It has action. It has comedy. It has spirituality. I even took the movie's release as an excuse to rewatch all of Book One before seeing the film.

Well, that was a mistake.

The movie needed at least another hour just for the sake of making the plot coherent. Frankly, I was surprised Shymalan didn't just make Katara and Sokka Northern Water tribe just so he could get there even faster and make a 45 minute movie. The man should not be allowed to write a film. I'll admit that his art direction is gorgeous and atmospheric. He just can't write.

What was up with the pronunciation of "Aang", "Sokka" and "Iroh"? Or "Agni-Ki"? Why change it? There was no point to that. it was change for the sake of change. It's like going to a Star Trek movie and having them say "Mr. Spoke". And where was Avatar Roku? Aang needs that "Obi-Wan"-like guidance. And not from a big, smoky, poorly-animated dragon.

The acting was a bit on the stiff side, I'll admit. But that was the least of the movie's flaws. It lost the humour, the spirit of the show.

In the end, sad though it makes me to say, part of me is glad this is probably going to be the last movie...

I don't want to see the travesty Shymalan would make of Toph.
It made enough money openning weekend that they probably will push forward w/ book 2.
 
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