The Kelvin bridge will look like an old regular TOS bridge right?

[Plum]

As far as I know, and I feel this is canon... sorta...

First Contact brought quite a bit of time travel right at the very nexus of what would become the "trek" universe, The first warp ship and first alien contact. However, it also brought the Borg to Earth.

Many moons later, Enterprise had an episode connected to First Contact. Connected by the Borg.

I seem to recall even Berman once said that the timeline for trek had been changed because of First Contact.

Really, I didn't need Nero to mess with the timeline, it already happened?

 

[Dukhat]

Looks like kneeling to me. Even though being thrown out would make more sense.

He is clearly shown being thrown out of the chair in the trailer that this screengrab came from.

 

[Brent]

As far as I know, and I feel this is canon... sorta...

First Contact brought quite a bit of time travel right at the very nexus of what would become the "trek" universe, The first warp ship and first alien contact. However, it also brought the Borg to Earth.

Many moons later, Enterprise had an episode connected to First Contact. Connected by the Borg.

I seem to recall even Berman once said that the timeline for trek had been changed because of First Contact.

Really, I didn't need Nero to mess with the timeline, it already happened?

True, the timeline could have diverged right then already.

Of course, in a MU theory, our universe with TOS and no Borg still exists as we know it.

 

[Plum]

<SNIP!>

True, the timeline could have diverged right then already.

Of course, in a MU theory, our universe with TOS and no Borg still exists as we know it.

Yikes! Suddenly, the MU episodes of ENT make sense!!!

 

[CobraCommander]

Wouldn't it be the job of the "good ol' boys" from the 29th century to clean up damage to the timeline? Why haven't they done anything about the alternate timeline? Cobra

 

[Skywalker]

Wouldn't it be the job of the "good ol' boys" from the 29th century to clean up damage to the timeline? Why haven't they done anything about the alternate timeline? Cobra

Maybe they realized these changes were for the best.

 

[The Rock]

[...] The Enterprise timeline was changed a bit as well, so I'm not having any trouble with that.

The Enterprise timeline was changed a bit as well? You mean by the Temporal Cold War during the series or by something that happens in Star Trek XI?

This is, of course, absolutely non-canonical and cannot be backed up by anything shown within the Star Trek franchise (and it is seen purely from an in-universe point-of-view as well)...

There MUST have been some kind of change in the pre-Enterprise timeline (or perhaps even before that - in the First Contact past? Earlier?) since it seems almost impossible that ENT would eventually lead to TOS... seen from technological, stylistical or historical standpoints.
There are too many discrepancies in the pasts of ENT and TOS (and TNG, as well) to assume that these series are all parts of the same timeline (the dating of the Eugenic Wars or World War III, the first contacts with Klingons and Romulans, differing looks of characters like Zephram Cochrane et al.). It is also possible that every differing fact (there are sometimes even three different versions of the same event) belongs into a timeline of its own.
The way it seems now, ENT could be very much the prequel to Star Trek XI... and to Star Trek XI only. Star Trek XI's past - the events surrounding the U.S.S. Kelvin - has a different look compared to TOS' past (as seen in The Cage), so it apparently doesn't lead up to TOS.

Of course, extra-universal, all these discrepancies are merely shoddy research done by the writers of the respective series/episode on the one hand and techological progress in the real world on the other hand... or are part of the all-too-comfortable 'Reboot!' theory... but that's where retconning comes in.

Bernd Schneider has made a very detailed list of stuff-ups within Star Trek's timeline(s) on his website...
www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/history-earth.htm

But it's already been established that ENT does progress to the regular TOS and TNG because in the last episode of ENT "These Are The Voyages" it's about Troi and Riker in the holodeck of the Enterprise-D looking at a simulation of events that happened in ENT. Plus at the very end of that episode it shows a flyby of the original TOS NCC-1701 thereby suggesting that the ENT timeline will progress to the TOS timeline.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Wouldn't it be the job of the "good ol' boys" from the 29th century to clean up damage to the timeline? Why haven't they done anything about the alternate timeline? Cobra

They only exist when it's convenient and doesn't trouble the plot.

 

[M'Sharak]

Why is he kneeling on that chair, anyway?

He's not kneeling in the chair. He's being thrown out of it.

Looks like kneeling to me. Even though being thrown out would make more sense.

You can see it at 1:53 in the trailer which aired in front of Watchmen. It's only about three or four frames, though -- blink and you'll miss it.

Of course, this is a ship with a registry starting with zero, so logic clearly isn't a factor in anything.

Ah, but that's another kettle of space octopus altogether.

 

[The Academic]

But it's already been established that ENT does progress to the regular TOS and TNG because in the last episode of ENT "These Are The Voyages" it's about Troi and Riker in the holodeck of the Enterprise-D looking at a simulation of events that happened in ENT. Plus at the very end of that episode it shows a flyby of the original TOS NCC-1701 thereby suggesting that the ENT timeline will progress to the TOS timeline.

Isn't it strange that people most of the time want to forget that ENT These are the Voyages... ever existed, but, whenever they need it as part of their argumentation, it's suddenly carved-in-stone canon?

[ENT These are the Voyages... is a holographic simulation made centuries later and therefore as reliable as Mel Gibson's Braveheart as a historical source. Furthermore, the end-of-the-episode flyby was an extra-universal summary for the audience of this failed Valentine's present and is therefore irrelevant.]

 

[El Chupacabra]

But it's already been established that ENT does progress to the regular TOS and TNG because in the last episode of ENT "These Are The Voyages" it's about Troi and Riker in the holodeck of the Enterprise-D looking at a simulation of events that happened in ENT. Plus at the very end of that episode it shows a flyby of the original TOS NCC-1701 thereby suggesting that the ENT timeline will progress to the TOS timeline.

Isn't it strange that people most of the time want to forget that ENT These are the Voyages... ever existed, but, whenever they need it as part of their argumentation, it's suddenly carved-in-stone canon?

[ENT These are the Voyages... is a holographic simulation made centuries later and therefore as reliable as Mel Gibson's Braveheart as a historical source. Furthermore, the end-of-the-episode flyby was an extra-universal summary for the audience of this failed Valentine's present and is therefore irrelevant.]

The Ent in TATV may have been a holodeck recreation, but Riker clearly stating that NX-01 was the first Enterprise and making comments about "Kirk's ship" were not. Seems pretty clear to me.

 

[Mach5]

Isn't it strange that people most of the time want to forget that ENT These are the Voyages... ever existed, but, whenever they need it as part of their argumentation, it's suddenly carved-in-stone canon?

[ENT These are the Voyages... is a holographic simulation made centuries later and therefore as reliable as Mel Gibson's Braveheart as a historical source. Furthermore, the end-of-the-episode flyby was an extra-universal summary for the audience of this failed Valentine's present and is therefore irrelevant.]

Hmmm, interesting stuff to read, considering it was written by the author of this:

Exactly for the reason you mentioned, Pocket Books - quite cynically in my eyes - defied officially-established canon just to continue to cash in. Nobody should ever substitute much-needed social realism (even within the context of a science fiction series) with mere fanboyism (or with the attempt to appease the fanboys).

 

[Deckerd]

A Kelvin bridge is recommended for measuring resistances lower than 1 ohm.

Alternatively it is the familiar name for the Great Western bridge over the River Kelvin in the Kelvingrove Park in Glasgow.

 

[The Academic]

Hmmm, interesting stuff to read, considering it was written by the author of this:
[...]

Unless intentionally taken out of context, there is no contradiction in what I've written. The arguments in question are both about content AND style:

• Facts, as delivered in a holographic simulation, remain facts.
• The holographic simulation, however, is a later (in this case, 209 years later) re-imagination of the environment and circumstances the facts occured in.

[So, along these lines and to make everybody's head spin, These are the Voyages... is an ENT-era (extra-universal/stylistic) interpretation of a TNG-era (intra-universal/historical) interpretation of pre-TOS-era (intra-universal/historical) events.]

 

[Mach5]

Unless intentionally taken out of context, there is no contradiction in what I've written.

Now wait just a second here. You consider the holographic recreation in TATV to be non reliable, yet you bash PB for cynically defying officially-established canon.

(you may find this link useful)

 

[M'Sharak]

Unless intentionally taken out of context, there is no contradiction in what I've written.

Now wait just a second here. You consider the holographic recreation in TATV to be non reliable, yet you bash PB for cynically defying officially-established canon.

(you may find this link useful)

Now, wait just a second, yourself. This sounds like an attempt to restart a squabble which began elsewhere, and I'm afraid there just isn't room for that sort of thing in this forum at this time. I'm not wild about the link to a dictionary entry used as an insult, either, to be honest. Please drop this line at once and return to the topic at hand, which most certainly is not the supposed defiance of canon by Pocket Books; you're in the wrong forum for that.