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The "K" Sound in Captain

Hi, this is something that's crossed my mind in the past, mostly about TOS though....Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Christine, Chekov, and Scotty. The one connection that makes sense to me is that Roddenberry was part Jewish, and Shatner, Nimoy, Koenig, Barrett as well as Gene Coon and many of the TOS writers were also Jews. The Jewish language seems to feature that consonant rather strongly. I could be totally wrong, it's just an impression.

That's interesting. Thanks.
 
It's common to perceive names with K sounds in them as being strong or forceful. There are plenty of characters throughout fiction, far beyond Trek, that have K sounds in their names -- Clark Kent, Carter Hall, Kraven the Hunter, Kang the Conqueror, "Killer" Kane, Charles Foster Kane, Kwai Chang Caine, Conan, Kull, Katara, Sokka, Korra, Luke and Anakin Skywalker, Chewbacca, Tarkin, Ahsoka, Dracula, Frankenstein, etc. Not to mention all the alien/monster races with K names -- Morlocks, Daleks, Klingons, Kree, Skrull, Kzinti, Wookiees, Krill, etc.

(Ooh, Greg beat me to it by seconds.)

Thanks. Also, Clark Kent was created by Jewish writers.
 
I've read in the past that the names were indeed purposefully chosen for their "strong" sound. I do not know if that was the opinion of the authors or if that was a stated reason given by the show creators, however.

See also all of Stan Lee's characters who have repeated letters in their first and last names: Peter Parker, Reed Richards, etc.

Absolutely. Thanks. And don't forget Sue Storm.
 
Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Billy Batson predate them by decades. Also Charlie Chan, Dan Dare, King Kong, Sam Spade, Tiny Tim, Wallace Wimple, etc.


Kenneth Johnson: "I'm gonna change Bruce Banner to David Banner in my Hulk show since alliterative names are silly."

Really? Well, I had heard that it was for a different reason and one that I'm hesitant to mention because of forum rules and it could be taken the wrong way, even though I wouldn't have meant it in a disparagingly way.

Also Kenneth Johnson: "The stars of my Hulk pilot will be Bill Bixby and Susan Sullivan."

LOL :hugegrin:
 
Thanks. Also, Clark Kent was created by Jewish writers.

That's got nothing to do with it. My whole point was that it happens throughout English-language fiction and can't be narrowed down to any single category of writers. I mean, Gene Roddenberry was raised Southern Baptist.


Really? Well, I had heard that it was for a different reason and one that I'm hesitant to mention because of forum rules and it could be taken the wrong way, even though I wouldn't have meant it in a disparagingly way.

Oh, you mean the old claim that "Bruce" was considered a gay/effeminate name? Apparently Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno claimed that was a network concern, but Kenneth Johnson says he just didn't want the show to seem comic-booky, and chose the name in honor of his son David.
 
;)

Pepper Potts, Matt Murdoch, Stephen Strange… Stan Lee alliteration is apparently endless.

By the way, you can use one post to quote and reply to everybody. ;)

Lee claimed that the alliterative names helped him keep all the names and characters straight back when he was writing/editing multiple series at once.

Which still didn't keep him from slipping up and calling the Hulk's alter ego "Bob" Banner once. :)
 
Thank you for your reply, however, I'm not sure how you can say they weren't exactly creative with one of the most creative television shows in sci-fi history. :) Also, I agree with you that it was apparently a weird coincidence since Archer and T'Pol were the first Star Trek series names that didn't follow that pattern. Although, it seemed as with Archer, they perhaps subconsciously tried. ;)

Actually, Archer was originally going to be named Jackson Archer. However, since there was only one or two with that name, legal told Berman and Braga they couldn't use that name. When a large number of people have the same name as a character, say 20 or more, it's apparently fine legally speaking. Fewer, however, means possible legal troubles. Which is why we got Jonathan Archer.

Had the lawyers not stepped in, even ENTERPRISE would be included in your list.
 
Lee claimed that the alliterative names helped him keep all the names and characters straight back when he was writing/editing multiple series at once.

Which still didn't keep him from slipping up and calling the Hulk's alter ego "Bob" Banner once. :)

Yup, Bob Banner and Peter Palmer.

Incidentally, would you happen to know when they first established that Bruce's full name was Robert Bruce Banner, as a way of handwaving that inconsistency? I've often wondered why the TV series didn't just call him Robert instead of David, but it would make sense if it wasn't established in the comics until after the TV show (like how Alfred the butler wasn't named Pennyworth until the year after Batman '66 ended).
 
In general, there's a perception that the hard "K" implies toughness, hardness, etc. So you see it a lot for heroes and villains.

Apparently the letters k, p, t are called fortis consonants, they require more muscle tension / energy than lenis consonants.

Wonder if Roddenberry ever gave a reason for changing the original captain’s name he pitched, Robert April, to Christopher Pike (then James Kirk).
 
Wonder if Roddenberry ever gave a reason for changing the original captain’s name he pitched, Robert April, to Christopher Pike (then James Kirk).

He went through a lot of potential names for the captain. Off the top of my head, I remember him considering North and Winter. I think he settled on "Kirk" just days before filming the second pilot, or something.

Coming up with lead character names is a delicate task. Sometimes a great one hits you right away, but other times you have to try out a lot of possibilities before hitting on the right one, or at least one you can live with.
 
Yup, Bob Banner and Peter Palmer.

Incidentally, would you happen to know when they first established that Bruce's full name was Robert Bruce Banner, as a way of handwaving that inconsistency? I've often wondered why the TV series didn't just call him Robert instead of David, but it would make sense if it wasn't established in the comics until after the TV show (like how Alfred the butler wasn't named Pennyworth until the year after Batman '66 ended).

I believe "Robert Bruce Banner" predates the TV series, although I don't know the exact issue.
 
And Janeway was originally Elizabeth Janeway, if memory serves correctly. Played by Geneviève Bujold. She didn't last more than a day and a half of shooting. Kate Mulgrew requested the change to Kathryn Janeway. Then again, she'd been playing characters named Kate at least as far back as "Mrs. Columbo."

"K" sounds appear in 4 of George Carlin's original list of the "seven words you can never say on television." And he specifically noted "regressive K sounds" in the ones whose literal meanings refer to fellatio and incest.
 
And Janeway was originally Elizabeth Janeway, if memory serves correctly. Played by Geneviève Bujold.

Yes and no. She was originally Elizabeth, but...

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kathryn_Janeway#Background_information
"Due to legal aspects (specifically, that a prominent person, an actual American feminist writer, named "Elizabeth Janeway" existed), the name had to be changed. At Bujold's request, the character was renamed "Nicole Janeway"."
 
As I think the creator of another sci-fi franchise said - "It rhymes. Hopefully it will work."
:)
 
He went through a lot of potential names for the captain. Off the top of my head, I remember him considering North and Winter. I think he settled on "Kirk" just days before filming the second pilot, .

Kirk was Scottish for church, Spock was the author of Baby and Child Care, “The Real McCoys” was a family comedy series in 1963 - and a nurse with the saintly name Christine Chapel…..what more could the network suits want?! :hugegrin:
 
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