There's no budget reasons, but they have to adhere to the on-screen canon.
Sure, they could renumber it post-WYLB, but that seems sillier than sticking with the NX-74205 one.
the JJprise is actually the Enterprise A?
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Sure, they could renumber it post-WYLB, but that seems sillier than sticking with the NX-74205 one.
A bit off topic, but I never liked that they brought back the Defiant, not only because it cheapened the original's destruction just two episodes before, but because their intent was always to reuse stock footage for their own damn finale. I understand Sisko still needed a ship to command the final battle, but if that was the case, then they should have either not destroyed the original ship, or given Sisko command of the biggest baddest Starfleet battleship they had, made all new battle footage, and budget be damned. It was their fucking finale, for Christ's sake.
Considering things post-finale DS9 novels have made,
including destroying the station itself,
Hell, Voyager underwent a refit in the novels which is supposed to make it look different, even though none of the covers have yet shown this.
I don't think it's so much they wanted or expected the final battle to have as much stock footage as it did, they just wanted another Defiant class ship so they could reuse certain stock shots, like generic flybys or the ship docked at the station.
I understand that, but the very fact that they brought a Defiant class ship back as the new Defiant pretty much gave them carte blanche to reuse all that stock battle footage, which was my point. They still could have made all new battle scenes while still using the Defiant class ship, but they chose instead to reuse the old footage. It's the "TUC/Generations Bird of Prey explosion" stuff all over again.
I don't have a problem with stock footage being used to show random stuff like ships docked or ships just flying around, etc., but when it comes to important scenes like space battles or the destruction of the main baddie's ship, reusing stock just makes it look cheap, especially since the viewers are not stupid and know exactly when stock is being used.
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Oh, I agree they definitely dropped the ball by having the epic finale battle in the series finale be largely stock footage. I just don't think it was intentional, nor the reason behind going with an identical ship for the new Defiant. Granted, once they realized their budget was shot, having an identical Defiant opened the door for any battle footage to be used, but oh well.
It's weird, for the first few times I saw WYLB even though I recognized the reused footage, I was so swept up in the storyline I was able to overlook it, even though it still stood out. I liked it to getting my ass kicked while pumped up on morphine. I'm aware this is supposed to hurt, but just don't care.
It's weird, for the first few times I saw WYLB even though I recognized the reused footage, I was so swept up in the storyline I was able to overlook it, even though it still stood out. I liked it to getting my ass kicked while pumped up on morphine. I'm aware this is supposed to hurt, but just don't care.
Okay, well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here, because I believe that it was very intentional that they were going to use stock footage for the final battle, which I believe was the whole point of bringing the Defiant back as a Defiant-class ship. I doubt they even cared that much that the original Defiant's registry number was clearly seen instead of the more logical Sao Paulo registry. Star Trek has a long history of trying to save a buck whenever it can, with reuses of old models and stock footage ad infinitum.
Again, in Dukhat's dream world where budget is never an issue, I would have preferred that all new battle footage was made, and that instead of another Defiant-class ship, Sisko was given something akin to the Vengeance from STID.
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Funny, my take is that the Vengeance is already like the Defiant: small crew, powerful weapons, designed as a warship. The only difference is that the Vengance is filled with empty useless corridors and rooms as damage buffers and/or compensation for Marcus' physiology.
0N0C0C-01070001. Don't ask what the sequel ship will be numbered.
When I heard about a possible earlier Enterprise under April, I assumed the one we see under Pike and Kirk is the same ship, they just brought it down to Riverside for a massive multi-year refit (instead of keeping her in orbit). This would allow her to be in Iowa in 2255 and yet still be built at the San Francisco Yard as seen on her dedication plate.
Interesting. It would match up with some fan theories about the Constellation being upgraded from another class due to her 1017 registration.
^ Are you suggesting that when young Kirk pulls up by the shipyard in his motorbike, that's the refitting process that we're seeing?
I suppose that could jibe with the time frame, though I have always wondered why Starfleet would go to all that work to refit a ship so extensively - surely it would be easier and more efficient to simply start over from scratch?
It's the Ship of Theseus all over again.
I suppose that could jibe with the time frame, though I have always wondered why Starfleet would go to all that work to refit a ship so extensively - surely it would be easier and more efficient to simply start over from scratch?
It's the Ship of Theseus all over again.
I though it be funny, if in one of these films, the ship gets another massive refit, and starts to look even more like the traditional one in TOS. The NuTrek Enterprise looking to me sort of like a 1950s style car (extra fins, chrome, random detailing that makes the car look cool, but has almost no real function other than appearance), while the TOS Enterprise is definitely a 1960s style car (More plain, less artistic features, but more solid and reliable).
TNG/VOY are clearly 1980s/90s designs (aerodynamic and curvy). With Starfleet ships looking similar. If they were 2000s era, they'd all look more or less the same like half the cars on the freeway, as all the starships would be designed in warp simulations for maximum dynamics with only a little art flare thrown in from time to time.
TNG/VOY are clearly 1980s/90s designs (aerodynamic and curvy). With Starfleet ships looking similar. If they were 2000s era, they'd all look more or less the same like half the cars on the freeway, as all the starships would be designed in warp simulations for maximum dynamics with only a little art flare thrown in from time to time.
Going with the theory that April's Enterprise and the JJ-prise are different ships, I'd love to see what a film could do with the April version. I'd assume this is what the actual TOS Enterprise would look like with modern EFX (remember, we don't exactly know WHEN the TOS version was actually built, so it could conceivably predate the split in timelines). Probably very much like the Kelvin interiors.
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Aside from level of monetary input, I'd assume the April version of TOS Enterprise will look like it will in the film Axanar once that comes out. No telling if they'd do interior shots of that since that story is based on another ship, with Enterprise being the new kid on the block.
Though for a NuTrek version, I'd suspect April's Enterprise to either look like the TOS Enterprise, or a Kelvin-style ship in the classic Constitution-class shape. Both possibly has huge as Pike's ship in 2258, though they might be smaller like the original, or scaled on the Kelvin parts.
Though for a NuTrek version, I'd suspect April's Enterprise to either look like the TOS Enterprise, or a Kelvin-style ship in the classic Constitution-class shape. Both possibly has huge as Pike's ship in 2258, though they might be smaller like the original, or scaled on the Kelvin parts.
^ Are you suggesting that when young Kirk pulls up by the shipyard in his motorbike, that's the refitting process that we're seeing?
I suppose that could jibe with the time frame, though I have always wondered why Starfleet would go to all that work to refit a ship so extensively - surely it would be easier and more efficient to simply start over from scratch?
It's the Ship of Theseus all over again.
Nah. Just the Prime Universe refit happening 15 years earlier.
Somewhere, The Wormhole's heart just skipped a beat and he doesn't know why.
I hope he sees those posts. Personally, I think he will chuckle... inside... just a little... maybe.
I hope he sees those posts. Personally, I think he will chuckle... inside... just a little... maybe.
You're right. Just a little.
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