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The James Bond Film Discussion Thread (With Bonus Lazenby!)

Sure, Tracy his murdered wife has been the confirmation since the 1970s. Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan all share direct or thinly veiled references to her murder in 1969 and how that loss has gone on to scar and change James over the succeeding decades.

Though Tracy isn't directly mentioned in Diamonds Are Forever it seems the producers' intent to have Connery's Bond hunting down Blofeld with such savage intensity in the pre-titles sequence on behalf of his murdered bride. So in effect all five "Prime" Bonds share a Tracy connection, even if unspoken.
Yep Tracy is the one thing that likely connects the first 20 movies. Each Bond is the same Bond despite the age differences of each actor in each movie. The Craig era is its own reboot.

I still think another actor could do a new Bond I would ha e loved it to have been Idris Elba but that is not to be
 
Elba is 53, if he was ever in a position to play Bond, it would have been ten years ago after DC said in a 2015 after filming SPECTRE that he would rather slash his wrists than play Bond again. This was also the point in time where his possible casting seemed prominent, and Anthony Horowitz made some unfortunate comments about Elba's casting during the press tour for Trigger Mortis.

Having finished First Light, my money is on Patrick Gibson, but would not object to Callum Turner. Ive largely given up on Cavill and ATJ - the former is likely too old now. I would have said Henry Golding or Rege Jean Pagr in 2018 and 2020, but they've shown that they doesn't have the charisma to lead a major franchise like Bond. I just hope to God it isn't Elordi or Holland.

Aaron Pierre could be a good call, if it weren't for Lanterns and the DCU.
 
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I've got a strong preference for iconic characters to retain their look, whether they're Bond, Blade, Snape or Shang-Chi, but Elba could've made a fantastic Bond villain. Still could, as long as they don't put too much prosthetic makeup on his face to act through, or whatever happened with Beyond.

Also, man I can't stand the word woke, but I get what he's saying there.

Thing is Bond should change with the times, that's one of the major reasons the franchise has survived, because it has evolved and cherry picked things from the prevailing pop culture at the time. That's why LALD is a Blaxploitation film, why TMWTGG is a kung fu movie, why FYEO got bumped in favour of Moonraker because Star Wars was such a big hit! Why Bond carries a .44 magnum in LALD and why there's a character called Jaws in TSWLM and MR. It's why LTK feels like a Lethal Weapon/Die Hard actioner at times and why the Daniel Craig films a first aped Bourne and then the Nolan Batman films.

As for woke look at Dalton, the monogamous Bond for the Aids era in 1987! Even Brosnan was perceived as being a different kind of Bond for the 90s.More in touch with his feelings. And what's more woke than a female M!

I don't want a kind fluffy Bond, but it's perfectly possible for him to be a hard drinking killer who shags at will whilst still not being offensive to minorities or a toxic sexual predator.

Sure, Tracy his murdered wife has been the confirmation since the 1970s. Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan all share direct or thinly veiled references to her murder in 1969 and how that loss has gone on to scar and change James over the succeeding decades.

Though Tracy isn't directly mentioned in Diamonds Are Forever it seems the producers' intent to have Connery's Bond hunting down Blofeld with such savage intensity in the pre-titles sequence on behalf of his murdered bride. So in effect all five "Prime" Bonds share a Tracy connection, even if unspoken.

I'm trying to recall the references in Brosnan. I know the Moore and Dalton ones (and on the subject of Rog anyone who thinks the man has no acting chops needs to see the flicker of emotion that he shows when XXX mentions Tracy) but the Brosnan one(s) must have been more oblique.

Elba is 53, if he was ever in a position to play Bond, it would have been ten years ago after DC said in a 2015 after filming SPECTRE that he would rather slash his wrists than play Bond again. This was also the point in time where his possible casting seemed prominent, and Anthony Horowitz made some unfortunate comments about Elba's casting during the press tour for Trigger Mortis.

Having finished First Light, my money is on Patrick Gibson, but would not object to Callum Turner. Ive largely given up on Cavill and ATJ - the former is likely too old now. I would have said Henry Golding or Rege Jean Pagr in 2018 and 2020, but they've shown that they doesn't have the charisma to lead a major franchise like Bond. I just hope to God it isn't Elordi or Holland.

Aaron Pierre could be a good call, if it weren't for Lanterns and the DCU.

It's weird because I've been a fan of Elba longer than most (going all the way back to the sublime Ultraviolet in '98) but I've never seen him as Bond, and I have no issue with a Bond of colour (when Craig left I thought Salmon would make a damn fine Bond and both John Boyega and Rege Jean-Page are on my Bond list).

Most of my preferences are now too old unfortunately. Cavill, Turner, Fassbender.

I haven't seen many of the current favourites in much (oddly it's only Elordi's height that puts me off him) I can't see Turner as Bond. Holland is too associated with Spidey.

I'm fairly confident that when its announced most of us will go "Who?" I reckon it'll be some up and coming theatre star and Bond will be his big break, possibly even his first film role.

I do wonder if Taylor Johnson was ever in the running, was it all BS or was he high on Eon's list before they sold out to Amazon I wonder?
 
To be fair, when Craig debuted in 2006, he was 38. So Turner at 37 now wouldn't be the huge stretch, other than them wanting to do Young(er) Bond.
 
I'm trying to recall the references in Brosnan. I know the Moore and Dalton ones (and on the subject of Rog anyone who thinks the man has no acting chops needs to see the flicker of emotion that he shows when XXX mentions Tracy) but the Brosnan one(s) must have been more oblique.

I believe there are veiled references in TND and TWINE.
 
Yeah back in the day a late 30s/early 40s Bond would be a sure thing. These days I think we're looking late 20s to mid 30s (hopefully we get the upper end of that)
 
Thing is Bond should change with the times, that's one of the major reasons the franchise has survived, because it has evolved and cherry picked things from the prevailing pop culture at the time. [...] I don't want a kind fluffy Bond, but it's perfectly possible for him to be a hard drinking killer who shags at will whilst still not being offensive to minorities or a toxic sexual predator.
Absolutely. I feel like he should almost go too far at times, without actually crossing any lines, because he's a cheeky git. But 'too far' changes depending on the era, and things that used to seem harmless now read very differently.

And I don't remember him being offensive to minorities even in the 60s, but if he was then that's something we can do without bringing back.
 
But since Bond dies in the last movie we know now it's just a codename. Why can't he be Bond if it's just an MI6 codename?
We all know that Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are using CODENAMES of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson. Because there are stories that show Sherlock Holmes in the late 1800's.

That's just common sense. 🧠

"It’s cool to have a code name. It’s not that weird."

Though Tracy isn't directly mentioned in Diamonds Are Forever it seems the producers' intent to have Connery's Bond hunting down Blofeld with such savage intensity in the pre-titles sequence on behalf of his murdered bride. So in effect all five "Prime" Bonds share a Tracy connection, even if unspoken.
I always felt ("always" being when I started paying attention to the films in order) that the Connery opening was enough of a nod to OHMSS if you wanted it or just "Bond being Bond" if you didn't.

For obvious reasons (they wanted to get away from the "flop Bond") it doesn't have the connective tissue that the books OHMSS and You Only Live Twice have.

What was the box office for OHMSS? I know it was a critical flop at the time, reassessed over the years as a near masterpiece to some. But did it make money? I assume that if it did Broccoli and Saltzman would have chased Lazenby with a (very small) box of money to come back.
 
What was the box office for OHMSS? I know it was a critical flop at the time, reassessed over the years as a near masterpiece to some. But did it make money? I assume that if it did Broccoli and Saltzman would have chased Lazenby with a (very small) box of money to come back.
According to Wikipedia:

You Only Live Twice ----------------- Budget: 9.5m, box office: 111.6m
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - Budget: 7m, box office: 82m
Diamonds Are Forever -------------- Budget: 7.2m box office: 116m

It was a significant drop from what the Connery films had made, but it was still incredibly profitable. Lazenby would've likely been invited back for more, but his agent apparently convinced him that James Bond was an outdated character who had no place in the modern era (the early '70s), so he only wanted to do the one film.
 
Here's a thought: When was the last time Bond played golf? I remember in one of the "new" books (back in the 2000's) him going on in Fleming fashion about his Callaways.

(He was going out to play golf when Draco's men nab him, right?)
 
Yeah, an $82 million box office take in 1969 and 1970 was fantastic by almost any standard that the movie industry of that era had established. It was only disappointing based on post-Goldfinger Bond film standards of tickets sold. OHMSS would have been perceived as a colossal hit had it been, say, just another spy thriller of the period or even a Bond spoof or pastiche, but between the $29 million dropoff from the take of YOLT and the controversies in the media about Lazenby and his behavior on-set it helped tarnish the movie's image.
 
I actually like that Bond just plays with continuity and even shoves it in viewers faces. You pick. OHMSS is the best example of that: "This never happened to the other fellow" breaking the fourth wall, then a few minutes later packing up trinkets from past adventures that definitely tie him to every Connery film. I'm fine with what they did with Craig but I hope they go back to not having any real continuity, again. With the exception that I do think they should just do the Bond books more or less in the time period they should have taken place in, starting with moonraker in the 50's.
 
I actually like that Bond just plays with continuity and even shoves it in viewers faces. You pick. OHMSS is the best example of that: "This never happened to the other fellow" breaking the fourth wall, then a few minutes later packing up trinkets from past adventures that definitely tie him to every Connery film. I'm fine with what they did with Craig but I hope they go back to not having any real continuity, again. With the exception that I do think they should just do the Bond books more or less in the time period they should have taken place in, starting with moonraker in the 50's.
Kind of like Doctor Who...even if it enrages certain fans.
 
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