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Spoilers The Interstellar Song Contest grade and discussion thread

How do you rate The Interstellar Song Contest?


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A bit of a re-run of TPOTW - trapped on a space station in the far future with thousands (supposely) slaughtered and a delta wave projector about to slay millions more and the Doctor goes to a dark place only the companion gets to stop them. No time vortex, but we get a regeneration.

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Like this one lot more that I thought I would and darker too. I was expecting a silly frothy romp. After all its Eurovision in SPAAAACE! Darkside Doctor is always scary.
Plus Susan and the Ranis!!!!
 
The audio mix was terrible. I could barely hear the dialogue.

Lots of really old classic Doctor Who references, which I expect to go over most viewers' heads. It was good for those that know, but it most likely fell flat for those that didn't.

I thought it was an okay episode, but it was barely watchable with the bad audio mix.
 
My sound setup is pretty good, but I have noticed issues with the live transmission - watching on iPlayer resolves it. Though presumably if you're on Disney+ the same should apply.
 
Will this thread be open to spoilers at some point? (At the time I'm posting this entry, I don't see the red box with white text graphic usually associated with these episode discussion threads.) It's kinda' amusing how we're avoiding concise statements of the two "reveals". :whistle:
 
Will this thread be open to spoilers at some point? (At the time I'm posting this entry, I don't see the red box with white text graphic usually associated with these episode discussion threads.) It's kinda' amusing how we're avoiding concise statements of the two "reveals". :whistle:
There is a Mrs. Flood thread.
 
Damn, this was quite a good episode. I knew going in we'd probably be getting answers concerning some of the season's story arc, but you know what, the episode's story absorbed me enough that that I didn't even care about those answers until the time they were provided. And of course, the Susan reveal definitely came out of left field for me, as I'd given up ever seeing that character in the modern era.

Still, this episode was just really fun with the Eurovision in space and a side of adventure and excitement, a few poignant moments about the evils of bigotry and we even got to see the Doctor go dark side. And all around solid hour and might be one of the best of the season, though this has been a very strong season so far.
 
As an American who has never seen Eurovision, I probably missed a lot of those references, but as just as a Doctor Who episode I thought it was great. I know enough about Eurovision that I expected this to just be a goofy episode with a bunch of crazy looking aliens singing weird songs, but it actually went to some pretty dark places. I was at least relieved that The Doctor put the field up that put the people into suspended animation, because I was shocked at first that they would actually kill that many people.
It's always interesting to see the Doctor's dark side come out, and it definitely did this week. I think it's even more shocking and effective with Doctors like Fifteen who tend to be a bit goofier.
I'm curious if we are actually going to see Kid again.
The whole motivation behind the attack definitely made Kid and Wynn a bit more sympathetic than some of the more over the top bad guys we've gotten in the past, even if they did take things waaaaaayyyyyy to far.
Definitely curious about what exactly is going on with The Doctor seeing Susan. At first I thought maybe it some kind of random hallucination as the Doctor was freezing in space, but the fact he kept seeing , even up to the end of the episode would imply there's more going on than that.
I had been hoping Mrs. Flood wouldn't be The Rani since she'd been the rumor and the big theory going back to last season, but the reveal was very cool. Definitely curious to see what they're up to exactly.
 
Final song echoing Eurovision's history with nations that are being oppressed. Ukraine in recent years springs to mind.
This seems almost too appropriate for Gaza, from my view. I guess its a Rorsach's test there.
Damn, this was quite a good episode. I knew going in we'd probably be getting answers concerning some of the season's story arc, but you know what, the episode's story absorbed me enough that that I didn't even care about those answers until the time they were provided. And of course, the Susan reveal definitely came out of left field for me, as I'd given up ever seeing that character in the modern era.
I feel exactly the same way. I really wanted her all the way back to End of Time and any time during the Moffat years, but it'd never happen. Happy to see her come back!
Still, this episode was just really fun with the Eurovision in space and a side of adventure and excitement, a few poignant moments about the evils of bigotry and we even got to see the Doctor go dark side. And all around solid hour and might be one of the best of the season, though this has been a very strong season so far.
Think the finale will muck it up? As RTD finales usually do?
 
I'm optimistic, but I also didn't hate The Legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of Death as much as most people seem to.
The Mrs. Flood reveal was already better than the reveal of Ruby's mom.
 
I don't know what I expected from this episode but what we got certainly wasn't it. And that's a good thing.

I greatly enjoyed seeing a full cast of well-developed characters with their own dynamics and histories quickly introduced and integrated seamlessly into the story. From the lovely couple of Gary and Mike, who naturally and coincidentally have exactly the necessary skills The Doctor needs to help save the day; to Cora and Len, with their fractured relationship once Cora's true heritage comes out; to Kid and Wynn, two justifiably angry survivors of a corporation-induced genocide and who nearly cause further deathly devastation on who they have deemed worthy of punishment; to poor Nina, the producer who is just trying to run a major song contest without everyone messing everything up with their vendettas. Woof, what a mouthful and I loved every bit of it.

There was a lot to unpack here, especially regarding the Hellion massacre and the resulting propaganda that ostracized the Hellias, all caused by a greedy corporation. For honey flavor. If the episode was longer (or even a two-parter), the story would've been able to dig deeper into those issues and how they affected Kid, Wynn, and Cora (and by connection, Len). As is, the episode did a good job of introducing those issues, if with only subsequent surface-deep thematic exploration.

On top of everything, we glimpsed once again the darker side of The Doctor. We've seen this from time to time, from The War Doctor to portions of The Sixth, Seventh, and Thirteenth Doctor's respective eras to The Tenth Doctor's memorable punishments for The Family of Blood. I especially reminded of the latter as The Fifteenth Doctor visibly and deliberately tortured Kid for his attempts to commit genocide. Undoubtedly, this will be a controversial moment in Doctor Who history but I think it's a good moment to explore.

The part that stood out the most to me is the very reason why The Doctor went this far: He thought Belinda was dead. Often times throughout the course of the show's history, but especially in the modern era, we've seen time and again companions indirectly and directly anchoring The Doctor towards good. Case in point, as soon as The Doctor discovers Belinda is actually alive, he suddenly sees what he has become and stops immediately, full of remorse. Again, with a longer episode, this theme could've been explored more deeply.

With so much to unpack on every level, I honestly believe that the brevity of the episode is the only thing that kept it from being truly excellent.

...and that's before we get to the episode's biggest bombshells:

At very long last, the triumphant return of Carole Ann Ford as Susan!!! After the terrible teases last season that Susan Twist was The Doctor's granddaughter, Susan finally returns in this episode as a recurring psychic message. Where and, perhaps more importantly, when is Susan contacting The Doctor from? How does she relate with the Gatwa era theme of reality? And is her return connected at all with the other bombshell...?

Also at long last, the return of The Rani! But wait, we got two for the price of one! As much as I still find the bi-generation, I do like having two Ranis running around and of course the newer one treats the predecessor as a subordinate. A more twisted version of a multi-Doctor relationship. I'm looking forward to watching Anita Dobson and Archie Panjabi embodying this duel role.

Speaking of Panjabi, I'm thrilled to see her as The Rani as I've been a big fan of hers for years. Come to think of it, didn't we hear rumblings and/or rumors that Panjabi was going to be on the show this season but we didn't know what role it would be? Or am I misremembering? Either way, I'm glad I was right that Dobson turned out to be The Rani all along.
 
I only wish my knowledge of UK reality show singing contestants was stronger, thus the Rylan cameo would've been more fun (My knowledge tends to be limited to Susan Boyle, Alexandra Burke and Stacey Solomon)
Same for me but I definitely squealed with joy when Graham Norton appeared (even though I knew he was going to appear...but then forgot).

And also line of the week: Did I just fly through space on a confetti canon?
Like I said to my girlfriend after that line, it worked for WALL-E. :D

Will this thread be open to spoilers at some point? (At the time I'm posting this entry, I don't see the red box with white text graphic usually associated with these episode discussion threads.) It's kinda' amusing how we're avoiding concise statements of the two "reveals". :whistle:
Oops, my bad. I meant to put a spoiler tag with the thread when I posted it, as I always do. These discussion threads are always intended to be spoiler filled.
 
I thought this was an ok episode, but not much more then that. It felt padded, like it was a 25 minute story stretched out. The villain was lame, but it was nice to see the 15th Doctor show some teeth, he's definitely improved a lot from his early episodes.

I'm really sick of Bi-Generation. I was ok with it being a very, very rare (so rare it was basically a legend even to Timelords) event, now its just happening right and left. I'm fine with a new Rani, but I don't really trust RTD to write her well, although I'll be happy if he surprises me. I hope Susan gets a significant appearance and its not all some dream of The Doctor's, although I say that while, again, not really trusting RTD with the character.

Overall I rated this a 6/10, slightly above average but only really memorable for the parts with The Doctor and the mid credits scene.
 
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