YARN
Fleet Captain
A 2 second cameo in a bad comedy isn't quite what I had in mind.
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A 2 second cameo in a bad comedy isn't quite what I had in mind.
I got to see her on the big screen a few years ago when they released the Remastered Menagerie in the theater for a week. Was glorious.
Certainly the CG improved it some.
YARN
Fleet Captain
I'll bet it was. I'm jealous.
Out of curiosity... ...what do you make of the complaints that the old E simply wouldn't look good on a big screen?
You can tell by looking at it - it's too simplistic a design. They didn't revise it for Phase II/TMP because of in-story requirements; the refit storyline was created to permit a redesign.
You can add a lot of visual interest to it without making huge changes like the TMP redesign or the JJ-Trek ship. Deg and Vektor? have both done it very well on this board.
I like both of their variations. Neither is adequate for a big screen movie. You can add all the detail you want to the thing and the silhouette, the balance of the parts and the overall plainness of it remain.
People who like the TOS ship are sentimentally attached to it. People who are not sentimentally attached to Star Trek are the people that Paramount needs to intrigue.
People who like the TOS ship are sentimentally attached to it. People who are not sentimentally attached to Star Trek are the people that Paramount needs to intrigue.
YARN
Fleet Captain
Yep.
Really?
Some of the most iconic scifi ships from the movies are plain shapes from afar. The ISD from Star Wars. The Discovery from 2001. The Death Star. How much more plain can you get than a giant ball?
The surface of each of these ships (ISD, Discovery, Death Star) is anything but smooth. Making the surface of the TOS Enterprise as jagged as these three ships implies a modification to the design of at least some sort. If you're not talking about making the surface of the TOS Enterprise rough, then a comparison to these three ships is pointless.
If the surface of the TOS Enterprise is rough, then to a purist that's not a "faithful" version of the ship.
It's a military vessel, plain is part of the motif.
As for improvements...
YARN
Fleet Captain
That's kind of what deg did. It looks awesome. He didn't do a lot - just enough to give a more finished/mechanical look.
Even simpler than the shape of the Enterprise are the arguments against putting that shape on the big screen.
Well, it's a simple shape.
Well, those Star Wars were simple shapes with complicated surfaces, you know.
When they were designing the Big E for TMP, there were some execs who were convinced that the only way you could sell the scale of the Enterprise was to add a million greebles to the surface of the ship - after all that's what Star Wars did so successfully. Instead, what we got was one the most beautiful spaceships ever put on the big screen.
More importantly, people who have seen TOS-R on the big screen have reported that the original Enterprise looks great on the big screen. One such person has posted in this thread.
Really? The surface of the refit is smooth and it is just as beloved, if not more so, than the TV version.
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pengbuzz
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As for improvements...
Reminds me of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8B1GNCSfX0
Yeah, it's probably been posted here already, but I don't care!! It's STILL funny!!!
Nothing in my post implies that I believe the surface of a movie ship must be rough. I simply observed that a purist's TOS Enterprise has a smooth surface and the ISD et al. have rough surfaces. Therefore, comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. Period.
I'm rather fond of this one...
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMVLtFGiy4[/yt]
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMVLtFGiy4[/yt]
Smooth? yes. But there is a shit ton more detail than the TOS Enterprise.
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