THE HUR'Q...

[Timo]

And again we shouldn't forget that the Hur'q vanished from the playing field while Klingons and the like did not. Something big did happen to them, and we can give that something any form we wish.

But associating the Hur'q with one of the players of VOY might not work too well. B'Elanna Torres seems to know a lot about the history of the species of her mother, and she never identifies any of the VOY adversaries or allies as the Hur'q. At best, then, we might go by the model in which the Hur'q were raiders who spent all of 47 minutes on the Klingon homeworld, slaying museum guards and making their escape with minimal loot while still wearing those bandanas over their faces...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Prax]

Why not? We've seen examples of societies that have undergone major changes that have seen them go backwards in technology. Though really they don't need anything different from standard propulsion technology since there is more than enough time between the Hur'q invasion and the finding of the sword for it to have made it to the GQ.

Plus ways of getting across space like wormholes or even crazy "throw your ship across the universe" aliens that don't demand on the travellers level of technology. This is after all how the Federation has had an impact in two quadrants (or at least areas of these quadrants) that are far, far removed from their home space.

I like this. Plus the Hirogen ships look a bit ancient themselves, Like the ships the Predators used. And they spend their entire lives travelling. The Voyager crew couldn't believe how far they'd travelled in just a short time when looking at their travel logs.

 

[Dukhat]

In the DS9 episode, the Hur'q are just pillaging vikings of some sort, coming and then going.

You hit the nail on the head. Their sole existence was just a plot device to tell the story about the lost Sword of Kahless. They're nothing more, nothing less, than that.

 

[publiusr]

The Hirogen could be as good as any candidate for the Hur'q. I could see a pack of them seeing the Klingons as possibly interesting prey. They also like to take trophies to show how cool they are.

I like that--the Klingons would want to emulate them as hunters anyway.

There is even a resemblance between Hirogen vessels and the drawings of early Klingon ships by Masao

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I picture the Dominion being about as big as the Federation in terms of the area they actively control, but they probably keep tabs on a larger area around them to make sure no threats are arising.

Prophets probably made sure the Sword of Kahless was taken away from the Klingons because they saw how it makes them act like characters in an episode of Twilight Zone about destructive ambition if they were violent six year olds.

 

[Jono]

^ The question would by why the wormhole aliens would care about what the Klingons get up to. I can't recall them showing any real interest in the Klingons

 

[Timo]

You hit the nail on the head. Their sole existence was just a plot device to tell the story about the lost Sword of Kahless. They're nothing more, nothing less, than that.

And the option then nicely exists of making them more or less. Klingons could be less than objective and honest in their statements, after all. Perhaps it's psychologically vital for them to think of the Hur'q as petty raiders, rather than as folks who in fact totally owned the Klingons for centuries? Or perhaps they really are less remarkable than the Pakleds, but Klingons elevate them to the worst raiders of all history to make it more tolerable that they got away with the Sword?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

And the option then nicely exists of making them more or less. Klingons could be less than objective and honest in their statements, after all. Perhaps it's psychologically vital for them to think of the Hur'q as petty raiders, rather than as folks who in fact totally owned the Klingons for centuries? Or perhaps they really are less remarkable than the Pakleds, but Klingons elevate them to the worst raiders of all history to make it more tolerable that they got away with the Sword?

I don't think we'll be hearing about the Hur'q ever again. Aside from the one-off episode where they were mentioned, they were not brought up again for the rest of DS9, and were not mentioned in VOY, ENT, the prime universe movies or the Kelvin universe movies. It's reasonable to assume they will not be mentioned in DSC. The only people who care about the Hur'q are us obsessive Trek fans.

 

[Timo]

It depends on the nature of DSC writers, I guess. Do they dig the novels? Some DS9 writing was inspired by what was going on in that other front of the franchise. And quite a few stories have "returned" to issues that probably should have been long forgotten, such as tribbles and Arne Darvin...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jono]

If the Klingons play a significant role in Discovery you'd think the production team would have re-mined Klingon lore and history. I don't think they'll do a Breen and we'd see the Hur'q, but I don't think hearing about them again is an outrageous possibility.

 

[Crazyewok]

They could have bern the Vlawaar from the delta quadrant.

Remember they had there own transwarp network which could have extended to all quadrants us 1000 years was about the time they where beaten.

Hirogan is another posibility as they had a ancient communication network extending to near romulan space. Back then Hirogean ships could have extended as far as the Klingon homeworld and the Gamma quadrent.

 

[Crazyewok]

And again we shouldn't forget that the Hur'q vanished from the playing field while Klingons and the like did not. Something big did happen to them, and we can give that something any form we wish.

But associating the Hur'q with one of the players of VOY might not work too well. B'Elanna Torres seems to know a lot about the history of the species of her mother, and she never identifies any of the VOY adversaries or allies as the Hur'q. At best, then, we might go by the model in which the Hur'q were raiders who spent all of 47 minutes on the Klingon homeworld, slaying museum guards and making their escape with minimal loot while still wearing those bandanas over their faces...

Timo Saloniemi

That would not rule out the Hirogeon.
The klingons after 1000 might not know what a HurQ looks like.

 

[Timo]

If the Hur'Q were just generic humanoids, sure. But how could one forget the looks of the Hirogen?

Earth history doesn't offer good points of comparison. We don't exactly know what the Huns looked like, not any longer, and controvercy rages on who they were. But would we forget the specifics of an invasion by peoples 2.2 meters tall on the average, or with horns, or with purple skin? There'd be art, and no matter how poor at this "realism" thing, it would get the distinctive features right. Or then more than right.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DS9forever]

The Hur'q were mentioned in ENT: "Affliction".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

"Hur'q" is just the Klingon word for outsider. I guess we don't know what their real name was

I thought it was because of the Hur'q that the word entered the Klingon language? Kind of like how the name 'Vaadwaur' worked its way into old Talaxian as the word for "foolish".

 

[Farscape One]

I don't think it was the Hirogen, either. The Sword of Kahless was with a bunch of other prizes... none seemed biological. The Hirogen favor prizes that are more like modern day hunters... antlers, bearskin, etc.

In their case, Seven's long coiled intestines were a prize.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought it was because of the Hur'q that the word entered the Klingon language? Kind of like how the name 'Vaadwaur' worked its way into old Talaxian as the word for "foolish".

It's not Neelix?