"The Holiest Thing" Released

[Astra]

The episode took place over a time period of less than a week, from initial meeting to rejection of marriage proposal and announcing her pregnancy and the sex of the fetus. So I have no idea where you're getting "two months" from here.

I apologize if I am choosing my words wrong. I was not talking about the episode, I was talking about the real world. There are people in the real world who do marry after only a short time of knowing each other, and to do that I assume they must propose very early on. You don’t propose and then marry right the next day. Admittedly I grabbed the 2 months right out of my head.

Would I do marry that quickly? Of course not. Do I think Kirk would? Probably not, either. I agree with you there. The slower way how the relationship happened in Mr. Goodman’s “Autobiography of James T. Kirk” is probably the more realistic approach.

But would anybody here be interested in watching a whole episode of the falling in love of a Kirk who is on shore leave, away from his team, away from the Enterprise? The episodes of this series are set on the Enterprise, and so the time frame was a bit more tight. It didn’t bother me as much as others, is all I’m saying.

 

[dswynne1]

Just saw it. Nice effort, good special effects and an excellent nod to "Old Scotty". The only problems I see are:
a) Continuity issues vis-a-vis TWOK (in regards to David Marcus's age). Jarring.
b) Quick romance not believable, IMO.
c) Running time too long. If this is suppose to be a recreation of TOS, then the film should be edited down to 52 minutes.
d) The alien reveal is perplexing. On one hand, this is perfectly in keeping with what ENT established, as far as first contact with known alien races is concerned. On the other hand, seeing the big reveal is a bit jarring for a TOS fan. So, this is a bit of a wash.
Ultimately, I was entertained, so I will continue to support Cawley's efforts (expect a donation to Phase II soon). And based on the next episode, the cast and production staff has definitely stepped up its game. Looking forward to more New Voyages! :-)

 

[Tom]

I had a hard time with Brian Gross as Kirk Also. The gravitas just is not there with him. Cawley was more of a presence than Gross, IMO. Let's see what happens, look forward to the next episode. In light of the Axanar suit and all the talk relating to it, it was really good to have this episode come out this month and be able to enjoy it.

 

[ianintheuk]

Brian Gross, is my biggest problem with the "new" new voyages/Phase II. He just does not come over to me as a captain of a starship let alone Jim Kirk. For all his faults Mr Cawley at least seemed to be in charge.
The 2 episodes we have seen now with Brian in the lead just don't work I get the feeling that somehow John Boy Walton has wandered on set and is standing in for the real lead. This might have been OK in Mind Sifter as Kirk was disorientated and lost in time but this episode really needed a full on Kirk and he never materialised.
Not sure of Brian's age but he just looks and acts too young. I really want to see more episodes from this team so I hope he works out but as you see at the moment I have real doubts. PS he was out acted by his wife in this episode as well

 

[Search4]

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"The Holiest Thing" is now available on YouTube. Feedback and comments are welcome.

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OK, behind the times, but just started the episode. No spoilers! But really enjoying it 30 minutes in.

 

[Timewalker]

But would anybody here be interested in watching a whole episode of the falling in love of a Kirk who is on shore leave, away from his team, away from the Enterprise? The episodes of this series are set on the Enterprise, and so the time frame was a bit more tight. It didn’t bother me as much as others, is all I’m saying.

That's a basic description of "The Paradise Syndrome" and Kirk's roughly slightly-more-than-two-month relationship with Miramanee. But that Kirk was not himself, as he was suffering from amnesia.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

For those that are interested, there's a post-production commentary version of "The Holiest Thing." It's labled as the "director's commentary" but it's Mark Edwards Lewis, not Daren Dochterman speaking. Edwards was the post-production supervisor on this episode.

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[Noname Given]

I believe that James has taken the position that, based on the art design differences between "Space Seed" and movie era Trek (TWOK), far longer than Kirk's "fifteen years" must have passed--something more like 20 or 25 years. The two "'Space Seed' took place 15 years ago" lines in TWOK are simple production mistakes.

Don't shoot me: I'm just the messenger.

Sorry - doesn't wash. STII is official Star Trek canon and the "A man I haven't seen in 15 years who's trying to kill me..." line is there and makes 100%sense as the movie was made and released 15 years after the episode. Everyone likes to crucify official Star Trek productions for continuity mistakes and laud the "aren't the writers/production staff paying attention.." bit.

Well here's an example of a fan film group doping the EXACT SAME THING because it helps the story they want to tell. So yeah, you guys just lost any credibility the next time you try to hang an official Paramount/CBS release as sloppy because they decided to ignore some canon. (And BTW - this is the second time something like this has happened with PhaseII/NV as in their "To Serve All My Days" - it was HEAVILY hinted that Chekov died - and they actually got enough fan comment that they did a small scene later to make sure it was dispelled.)

Again, I just find it interesting when fan productions start doing things fans often deride official productions for.

 

[Maurice]

Again, I just find it interesting when fan productions start doing things fans often deride official productions for.

Do as I say, not as I do.

 

[NewHorizon]

I believe that James has taken the position that, based on the art design differences between "Space Seed" and movie era Trek (TWOK), far longer than Kirk's "fifteen years" must have passed--something more like 20 or 25 years. The two "'Space Seed' took place 15 years ago" lines in TWOK are simple production mistakes.

Don't shoot me: I'm just the messenger.

Haha, no shots will be fired....but what James suggests doesn't make a lot of sense. I believe the general understanding is that Kirk was around the same age as Shatner at the time, which would make him 35. Add 15 years and Kirk is moping over turning 50.

It's alright though. New Voyages is a fan film so if they want to treat it as an alternate, what if, timeline that's ok but I had a lot of problems swallowing it as what happened in the prime timeline. Would have been better to allow for a Story between Carol and Kirk to have taken place in the past...or through flashbacks.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

There's zero need for fan productions to integrate seamlessly with canon. It's really more interesting if they don't.

 

[DarKush]

I just watched it. Kudos on being able to put out another episode. The production values looked really good. I was just thinking that ship reminded me of a Ferengi Marauder and it was cool seeing a 23rd century version of the Marauder. I was also pleasantly surprised that they used the Ferengi, though it felt like it didn't jibe with canon. And after checking Memory Alpha the official first contact with the Ferengi was in 2364. Before that we can assume that no one in Starfleet had seen the Ferengi as identified as Ferengi or lived to tell the tale.

I also liked how the show opened with the James Doohan lookalike. I thought the actor looked pretty spot on. I do think though that it set up the episode to be one where Scotty was more the focus and he really wasn't. He book ended the episode. I wish he had played more of a role in the proceedings.

Nice allusions to TWOK, with Carol Marcus, terraforming, and protomatter.

There were things I didn't like:
-Brian Gross. I can accept him as Starfleet captain, but not Kirk. He just doesn't strike me as Kirk-like. I think James Cawley did a better job, and the guy on Starfleet Continues does the best as Kirk among the fan films I've seen.
-The romance between Marcus and Kirk felt rushed. And it didn't sit right with me how she told him she was pregnant and how he offered marriage and she rejected it. It puts the decision in Marcus's hands whereas in the past one might see Kirk as being the culprit or Marcus self-sacrificing to let Kirk live out his dream. In this episode she does have her own dreams that she wants to pursue and knows a marriage will be an inconvenience and ill advised for both of them. But to me it sort of makes Kirk more of a bystander. I can't see him giving up that easily. And perhaps it even makes him more of a jerk that he doesn't put up a fight, that he just goes along with it. If they tried to be together and it didn't work out that's one thing, but he just pretty much shrugged his shoulders at giving up on being a father along with being a husband. It sort of felt like cop out to make the decision Carol's not Kirk's. Maybe if there had been a mutual decision between them it might work better for me.
-It's small, but could Uhura have turned around once? It makes me realize how Nichelle got some screen time by turning halfway around in her seat, even if she didn't get storylines or focus.

 

[9gs]

I just watched it. Kudos on being able to put out another episode. The production values looked really good. I was just thinking that ship reminded me of a Ferengi Marauder and it was cool seeing a 23rd century version of the Marauder. I was also pleasantly surprised that they used the Ferengi, though it felt like it didn't jibe with canon. And after checking Memory Alpha the official first contact with the Ferengi was in 2364. Before that we can assume that no one in Starfleet had seen the Ferengi as identified as Ferengi or lived to tell the tale.

I also liked how the show opened with the James Doohan lookalike. I thought the actor looked pretty spot on. I do think though that it set up the episode to be one where Scotty was more the focus and he really wasn't. He book ended the episode. I wish he had played more of a role in the proceedings.

Nice allusions to TWOK, with Carol Marcus, terraforming, and protomatter.

There were things I didn't like:
-Brian Gross. I can accept him as Starfleet captain, but not Kirk. He just doesn't strike me as Kirk-like. I think James Cawley did a better job, and the guy on Starfleet Continues does the best as Kirk among the fan films I've seen.
-The romance between Marcus and Kirk felt rushed. And it didn't sit right with me how she told him she was pregnant and how he offered marriage and she rejected it. It puts the decision in Marcus's hands whereas in the past one might see Kirk as being the culprit or Marcus self-sacrificing to let Kirk live out his dream. In this episode she does have her own dreams that she wants to pursue and knows a marriage will be an inconvenience and ill advised for both of them. But to me it sort of makes Kirk more of a bystander. I can't see him giving up that easily. And perhaps it even makes him more of a jerk that he doesn't put up a fight, that he just goes along with it. If they tried to be together and it didn't work out that's one thing, but he just pretty much shrugged his shoulders at giving up on being a father along with being a husband. It sort of felt like cop out to make the decision Carol's not Kirk's. Maybe if there had been a mutual decision between them it might work better for me.
-It's small, but could Uhura have turned around once? It makes me realize how Nichelle got some screen time by turning halfway around in her seat, even if she didn't get storylines or focus.

Spot on review. I enjoy each new episode of NV so please don't get bent out of shape over the critique. I think Brian can do the job but I feel he plays Kirk more as a 2015 man than a 1960s one. There is no swagger and command presence. It's a fine line between arrogance and confidence. Even Vic who does an uncanny Kirk seems to have domesticated him somewhat. I want my 1960s Kirk.
Carol and Kirk could have been left with a hot romance and I have some leave coming so I will come and see you. Drop the whole rushed marriage/rejection thing and leave it up to the viewers imagination or a follow on.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Drop the whole rushed marriage/rejection thing and leave it up to the viewers imagination or a follow on.

This would have been a definite improvement.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Sorry - doesn't wash. STII is official Star Trek canon and the "A man I haven't seen in 15 years who's trying to kill me..." line is there and makes 100%sense as the movie was made and released 15 years after the episode. Everyone likes to crucify official Star Trek productions for continuity mistakes and laud the "aren't the writers/production staff paying attention.." bit.

Well here's an example of a fan film group doping the EXACT SAME THING because it helps the story they want to tell. So yeah, you guys just lost any credibility the next time you try to hang an official Paramount/CBS release as sloppy because they decided to ignore some canon. (And BTW - this is the second time something like this has happened with PhaseII/NV as in their "To Serve All My Days" - it was HEAVILY hinted that Chekov died - and they actually got enough fan comment that they did a small scene later to make sure it was dispelled.)

Again, I just find it interesting when fan productions start doing things fans often deride official productions for.

To play Devil's Advocate, how do you explain Saavik's chameleon-like ability to completely change her appearance in both the canon TWOK and the canon TSFS/TVH? She practically looks like two entirely different people.

 

[Noname Given]

To play Devil's Advocate, how do you explain Saavik's chameleon-like ability to completely change her appearance in both the canon TWOK and the canon TSFS/TVH? She practically looks like two entirely different people.

She changed GREATLY in the weeks between STII and STIII - bad case of space sickness, and it really affected her voice and appearance (Could say the same for Captain Kirk in the recent NV episodes as well. )

 

[controlfreak]

To play Devil's Advocate, how do you explain Saavik's chameleon-like ability to completely change her appearance in both the canon TWOK and the canon TSFS/TVH? She practically looks like two entirely different people.

Also, did they shoot their scenes on location on the planet Vulcan? How much did that cost? How did they get all that equipment into space to photograph the ships in the nebula? Inquiring minds!!

 

[Danlav05]

To play Devil's Advocate, how do you explain Saavik's chameleon-like ability to completely change her appearance in both the canon TWOK and the canon TSFS/TVH? She practically looks like two entirely different people.

She's actually half-Gallifreyan.

 

[Zaminhon]

She changed GREATLY in the weeks between STII and STIII - bad case of space sickness, and it really affected her voice and appearance (Could say the same for Captain Kirk in the recent NV episodes as well. )

Ok, as far as Kirk, I will chalk it up to him still suffering from the effects of the Mind Sifter. It stripped him of his Mojo and he needs to get it back.

 

[Timewalker]

She's actually half-Gallifreyan.

Yep. I posted the conversation between her and Amanda, when she explains why she doesn't look like the pictures Spock sent of her.