Just finished watching it. Overall, I thought it was pretty decent
"The Holiest Thing" Released
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I guess to nitpick there's the point about Marcus finding out she's pregnant so quickly. And I guess in the long run they will forget what a Ferengi looks like and their ships will become unidentified and blown up.
Is there a download link yet?
Yeah and I have a problem with the quick romance in "Requiem" as well. Kirk is absolutely head over heels. Both him and Flint are creepy in their treatment of Rayna.
But the whole marriage proposal and pregnancy in a matter of days ... oh boy.
Very attuned to how these episodes are scored, so appreciated the heavy use of tracks from "Metamorphosis" There were points where the music sounded as if the pitch was adjusted higher such as the "Ship In Orbit" cue from Catspaw following the opening credits.
I liked the episode.
I enjoyed seeing John Kelley again as Doctor McCoy!
And with the 50th anniversary in mind, I appreciated the fact that the episode also contained a bit of 24th century.
I enjoyed seeing John Kelley again as Doctor McCoy!
And with the 50th anniversary in mind, I appreciated the fact that the episode also contained a bit of 24th century.
Yes I'm a donor and a fan. I have been waiting for this. I will not Nit Pic on this. Enjoying Star Trek is more rewarding to me than taking this episode apart line by line. As a Labor of Love, I will enjoy this like wine, and not complain because I don't like the label and had a hard time getting the cork out. I guess my glass in half full.Thanks to the cast and crew
It was okay. Yeah there was a problem with the sound. Still not sold on their new Kirk (and this is from someone who disliked Cawley's Kirk). And proposing marriage after 3 days? WTF? I think they could've at least given Kirk and Carol another scene or two to make the romance a little more rounded or to make us see why Kirk was so quickly smitten with her, but it is what it is.
VFX were great as usual. I LOVE the new Enterprise. Liked the inclusion of the Ferengi. But really, based on the preview we were shown, I think the next episode will be better. More in line with the "feel" of TOS.
VFX were great as usual. I LOVE the new Enterprise. Liked the inclusion of the Ferengi. But really, based on the preview we were shown, I think the next episode will be better. More in line with the "feel" of TOS.
This sums up my feelings as well.
Brian Gross and Jacy King were good as Kirk and Marcus. I really liked Brandon Stacy's take on Spock in this episode, and I enjoyed the Ferengi commander (I suppose he was listed in the end credits as "Alien Commander" played by Clay Sayre). The starbase model was cool, clearly a kind of super-sized K-7. The proto-life-support belt effect was also well done. Oh, Kirk putting his boot on got a laugh out of me.
The ambiance and pacing were generally excellent and kept me engaged. This compensated well enough for problems in the story noted upthread, such as the accelerated romance and breakup and the solution to the mystery of the explosion not resonating because we didn't know DeWitt at all. Continuity issues that would arise from trying to integrate these events into canon, such with as David's age and the evident need for the Ferengi to have been forgotten, as discussed upthread, those didn't faze me in the slightest. I don't know why Captain Scott bookended the episode, but I enjoyed that nevertheless.
Clearly, "The Holiest Thing" is largely a prequel to The Wrath of Khan, but another interesting thing about it is that it puts a novel twist on the reveal of David's use of protomatter in The Search for Spock that reflects back on Carol. Two of the nagging and unanswered questions posed by TSFS were: how much did Carol know about the use of protomatter and when did she know it. While THT doesn't provide any definitive answers, it certainly opens the door for her intending to actually sanction use of the stuff herself. If we read between the lines, Carol seems just as driven as DeWitt, as well as the terraformers seen in TNG "Home Soil." I think a more complete view of Carol's character could have come from exploring this aspect, of whether she herself actually intended at this point to get her hands dirty by working with protomatter, and furthermore of whether that had any bearing on her insisting that she would be unable to do her terraforming research aboard the Enterprise. In other words, the question is, did Carol's realization that she could perfect her technology by crossing ethical lines influence her decision to run away from Kirk?
Actually, the biggest thing that detracted from my enjoyment was that the lighting level seemed too high sometimes, such as in sickbay.
Congratulations, thank you very much for the fine effort, and I look forward to your next episode.
There should be a Kirk scene like that after everytime the man gets a little action...
Don't give them any ideas!
I finished watching it this morning.
It looks like my early impression was right. Story aside (I'll get to that), the vast aspirations of this series always seem to me to come off half-vast. The guest stars always shine, but the regular cast just don't quite get there.
I don't know what it is about Brian Gross, but he doesn't convince me that he's Jim Kirk. I don't think he's convinced that he's Jim Kirk. There's no weight to his performance, like he's reciting memorized lines. Maybe he'll get better with time.
Brandon Stacy is not Spock. There's no depth, and he always looks constipated. Or pissed off. Maybe both.
Nitpicking here, but the "Vulcan Yellow" pallor seems overdone. (It's not just STNV on this one. I've noticed it with STC too. Anyway.) Stacy's wig is just bad, worse than Shatner's 70s rugs. And the ears don't fit.
John Kelley did a good job in his tenure making McCoy his own. (But as I've said before, you could put Corin Nemec in that wig and no one would know the difference.
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Charles Root has hung in there for a long time as Scotty, but he still sounds like he has marbles in his mouth.
The story was all over the place. Ferengi? Really? With a pro running the show I expected better. Then again, I've seen every episode over the last decade and with the exception of "World Enough and Time" I've been left a little cold.
Sorry if my opinions ruffle some feathers, but I have to call it like I see it.
It looks like my early impression was right. Story aside (I'll get to that), the vast aspirations of this series always seem to me to come off half-vast. The guest stars always shine, but the regular cast just don't quite get there.
I don't know what it is about Brian Gross, but he doesn't convince me that he's Jim Kirk. I don't think he's convinced that he's Jim Kirk. There's no weight to his performance, like he's reciting memorized lines. Maybe he'll get better with time.
Brandon Stacy is not Spock. There's no depth, and he always looks constipated. Or pissed off. Maybe both.
Nitpicking here, but the "Vulcan Yellow" pallor seems overdone. (It's not just STNV on this one. I've noticed it with STC too. Anyway.) Stacy's wig is just bad, worse than Shatner's 70s rugs. And the ears don't fit.
John Kelley did a good job in his tenure making McCoy his own. (But as I've said before, you could put Corin Nemec in that wig and no one would know the difference.
)Charles Root has hung in there for a long time as Scotty, but he still sounds like he has marbles in his mouth.
The story was all over the place. Ferengi? Really? With a pro running the show I expected better. Then again, I've seen every episode over the last decade and with the exception of "World Enough and Time" I've been left a little cold.
Sorry if my opinions ruffle some feathers, but I have to call it like I see it.
I'm not going to write a full review, but my issues with the episode are basically the same as those I have with most fanfilms: the script. It's a game of connect-the-dots, chock full of continuity porn and winking callbacks and callforwards. Never leave unsaid and subtle what can be hit with a continuity hammer. Carol and Kirk get it on and we could all presume a pregnancy results, right? Nope, they have to explicitly spell it out.
Speaking of that pregnancy, how does Carol know that fast? Does she do a daily scan of her fallopian tubes after some action? It typically takes a fertilized eggs 5–6 days to make its way to the uterus and implant (if it does at all). Oh well, maybe she has a Genesis Effect of her own.
Speaking of that pregnancy, how does Carol know that fast? Does she do a daily scan of her fallopian tubes after some action? It typically takes a fertilized eggs 5–6 days to make its way to the uterus and implant (if it does at all). Oh well, maybe she has a Genesis Effect of her own.
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