Spoilers The Gorn should sue this show

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Charles Phipps, May 5, 2022.

  1. Ray Hardgrit

    Ray Hardgrit Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    That's fine though, because Kirk needs his pain :p.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    Indeed. SNW did not invent tragic backstory.
     
  3. Sketcher

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    Didn't every main character on TNG lose one or both parents to some horrific event? Tragic backstories are not a new thing in Trek, let alone any storytelling medium. They're also just one aspect of the characters. Both La'an and Uhura have so much more to what makes them them, than lost family members.
     
  4. MarkusTay

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    Wrong argument. Mine was that these people all have terrible tragic PASTS (except for 'other Kirk', which we both mentioned LOL). They literally start the show broken. They shouldn't be flying in space, they should be on a councilor's couch.

    As for TOS, sure, there were 'sad bits' (I cried as a kid when Miramanee died), but there was always 'hope'. There was always a light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how bad things got. Sure, sometimes the light was an antimatter explosion, and the tunnel was a Doomsday machine, but it was there. This crew doesn't get 'wins', they get narrow escapes.

    Oh, and the 'marginalized' Number 1.0? A character who is already better (physically superior, and probably mentally) wants to 'just be like everyone else'? Hmmm... where have I seen THAT character before in ST? Somehow its hard for me to pity someone who is already better then me at everything. And why didn't she or T'banga think of poisoning her while they beam daughter into sickbay? You know - how her AURA HEALS EVERYTHING including nearby people? Like what just happened in that same episode only five minutes before?

    And there is a blind engineer in engineering, who still manages to 'see' better than everyone else. Yup, shows just chock full of original ideas. LOL (I shouldn't laugh, now that I think about it - I LIKED that character). Guarantee they replace him with either a half-something or someone with a funny Earth accent (Finnigan!) Oh... wait... we already HEARD the accent... so long as we also get Keenser I'm good. :D
    But at the end of the day, I was enjoying it, until this particular episode. IMO, it went off the rails. I was going to binge-watch some more last night, and just couldn't get in the mood. Damn shame, because as I've already said, the production value is top-notch.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Describes every Trek crew.
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    You do realize that you can find piddly-chit like you've mentioned in just about every incarnation of Trek that's been made.

    It's a shame to let that kinda stuff get in the way of something you've already admitted you enjoy.
     
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  8. VKORECTU

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    Those things were brought in very gradually and organically per episode...in this they just lump it on ..and lack any subtlety
     
  9. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I admit I would like an explanation as to how Gorn manage to grow from the wild xenophobes in SNW into the mature adults we saw (once) in TOS...

    I mean, if young Gorn are that mindlessly aggressive, I wonder how they manage to survive to adulthood AT ALL.
     
  10. VKORECTU

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    Forgetting that the body's immune system will reject interlopers implants
     
  11. VKORECTU

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    Andromeda magog
     
  12. Nerys Myk

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    No.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    Thanks to you and @Charles Phipps I have the answer.

    Still, prefer Gog and Magog.
    They were not. They were brought in same as here...for drama.
     
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    “I like it, I see good things and can make a case.”
    “I dislike it, I see bad things and can make a case.”
     
  15. Serveaux

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    Rubbish.

    Bad things happen to people. They endure. They go forward, they live, and they remember. Tragedy changes them; they are not broken.


    And in the case of adventure heroes, it's pretty basic that their ability to rise above and to press on to their goals is why we watch - except in the most superficial kinds of wish-fulfillment aimed at those who remain in some sense children throughout their lives, we don't cheer all that hard for the characters who always succeed without personal cost, the ones to whom everything comes easy and no loss is permanent.

    You need a better argument.
     
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  16. shapeshifter

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    But would you like the explanation? lol
     
  17. fireproof78

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    As long as the explanation boils down to "different species" then I'm good.
     
  18. fireproof78

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    I don't see it as that big of a deal. Several species undergo changes as they mature and develop so the Gorn would be no different.
     
  19. Mirror Tuvix

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    Love all the people twisting themselves into knots to pretend SNW did something other than a tiresome retread of the very well-trod A L I EN franchise and its derivatives.
     
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  20. DaveyNY

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    Love how some folks completely ignore that fact that "ALIEN" was also not the first to use the "Trapped with an Alien" storyline.
    It is just a very popular current "retread" version of said tale.

    Also, interesting how folks ignore the fact that just about every Star Trek episode can be compared to something else either written or produced previously (in a derogatory manner), just because they don't like the current version.
     
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